Thanks for the report. I mentioned I have three addresses subscribed as Admin. Sometimes I get two emails, and the third turns up an hour or more later, always the Gmail address. It is a small subset of posters though. I have yet to get a correlation to a specific cause. That will be THE Gmail algorithm at work. On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 at 18:52, Gareth Chen <garethenator@gmail.com> wrote: > FWIW I've noticed that emails from this list seem to be frequently picked > up by Gmail's spam filter, and it sometimes doesn't get to my inbox at all > until a couple of people have replied (nophead in particular seems to have > been deemed trustworthy). > > > On Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 1:14 AM MichaelAtOz <oz.at.michael@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Note for everyone: >> >> >> >> > The *ONE* person who developed "Empathy" (software), which is fairly >> new (=bugs), >> >> > and who had provided support, *DIED*. >> >> & >> >> > Empathy is not a Forum, it has limitations which will not get fixed. >> >> >> >> We inherited Empathy when we were forced to migrate from Mailman2 to >> Mailman3 in Mid March. >> >> The provider was no longer supporting Mailman2. It was inevitable, but we >> were pushed with little notice. >> >> >> >> Mailman3 was not specifically supported by Nabble. It took some Nabble >> customisation to get it to function. >> >> >> >> At the time Nabble, the Forum host, was acting normally, although we had >> previous problems and knew we >> >> probably would want to migrate away from Nabble, it was very niche, and >> support was waning. >> >> >> >> I tested Empathy at that time to see whether it could replace Nabble. >> >> It had potential, but there were significant limitations, with >> improvements it may be better. >> >> There was Git based issues support and the developer was responsive to >> change. >> >> >> >> We did not need people to access Empathy, because the Nabble hosted Forum >> was THE email archive. >> >> >> >> Then in Mid May the developer DIED, and it became obvious the company was >> mostly a one man band. >> >> Dear EMWD Clients: >> >> With great sadness we report the death of our founder and president Brian >> Carpenter. With this tragedy comes questions regarding the future >> operations of EMWD. We want to assure you that we are working on continuing >> the level of service to which you are accustomed. We are considering >> several offers for the company and are hoping to have all issues resolved >> soon. >> >> Thank you for your patience as we work through this transition. >> >> On behalf of Barbara Carpenter and Brian's family, we thank you for your >> business. >> >> --EMWD Customer Support >> >> Then in early June Nabble posted on their Forum, without sending it to >> administrators: >> >> >> >> The feature which allows users to post by email probably will be removed. >> >> >> >> Then in mid June, without informing administrators, they chopped >> Mailing-list support, including all customisation >> >> implemented for Mailman3. Nabble no longer accepted emails from the >> Mailing-List, and Forum posts were not sent to the List. >> >> The Forum was effectively defunct. >> >> >> >> We were not alone, all the screams from many Administrators, did not seem >> to matter. >> >> >> >> I won't go into further details, but I sent my 'IMPORTANT!...' email >> <https://lists.openscad.org/empathy/thread/EAAMMV6J6NW3WFRSWQ7MINOSBEYDQ6XH>. >> Which included: >> >> >> >> In the interim, I recommend you use the Mailing-list and do not post to >> the Forum. >> >> Basically nobody will see your post unless they specifically go looking >> on the Forum. >> >> >> >> If you are desperate to see messages via a Web page, use the Mailing-list >> Archive: >> >> https://lists.openscad.org/empathy/list/discuss.lists.openscad.org >> >> >> >> If you are also desperate to post new messages via a Web page you can >> also use the Archive, >> >> but you will need to https://lists.openscad.org/register to create a >> password for the email address that >> >> you subscribed with, then you can logon to the Archive and post. >> >> Note the editor there has limitations. >> >> >> >> So today, we have a Mailing-list. We do not have a Forum (that gets >> updated). >> >> The Empathy front-end to the Mailing-list archive, is not a Forum, it has >> bugs, is not ideal and won't get fixed soon. >> >> I don't recommend posting via Empathy, but if you make them vanilla, it >> sort of works, muchly. >> >> >> >> We are considering the future, but it will not be screaming into >> resolution any time soon. >> >> >> >> This is where we are at. >> >> We will have to live within its limitations. >> >> Your perseverance will be appreciated. >> >> >> >> >> >> MichaelAtOz, >> >> I used to say 'Forum Admin' >> >> >> >> We appreciate all the feedback provided on future requirements, options >> and desires, we do not need to repeat that exercise. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* MichaelAtOz [mailto:oz.at.michael@gmail.com] >> *Sent:* Sun, 4 Jul 2021 11:17 >> *To:* 'OpenSCAD general discussion' >> *Subject:* [OpenSCAD] Re: problems that folk have with emails >> >> >> >> Ray, yeh, one off-thread comment & it spreads like weeds... >> >> >> >> Terry, >> >> >> >> The *ONE* person who developed "Empathy" (software), which is fairly new >> (=bugs), >> >> and who had provided support, *DIED*. >> >> >> >> Empathy has no support. It will not change anytime soon. >> >> Don't report Empathy things, unless it is down or you can't logon. >> >> >> >> IMAP has nothing to do with this. >> >> >> >> > gmail web client and I see my own posts inserted into the thread. >> >> > If I start a new thread it will just be in my sent folder but when >> there are replies it >> >> > becomes a single thread in my inbox. I don't think it comes from the >> mailing list. >> >> >> >> Gmail does it's own thing >> <https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6588?hl=en>, it is not a >> plain-old-email-forwarder. Try Gmail's All-mail. >> >> When they say 'to save you time and prevent clutter', they mean save them >> megabucks. >> >> >> >> Some.member's replies are *not to you*. Your replies are *not to* >> some.member. >> >> Everything is *to/from* the Mailing-list. >> >> >> >> Replies (*usually - unless someone specifically does something else*) >> come *to you* *from the Mailing-list*. >> >> Because when some.member of the List *received an email*, some.member >> gets it *from the List*. >> >> It is configured so the Return-To path is *to the List*. >> >> So some.member's reply, is *to the List* *not to you (notionally to >> everyone)*, >> >> the List then sends it to everyone, including you@gmail, you get it *from >> the List*. >> >> >> >> The List is configured, by default, with: >> >> Receive own postings: Do you want to receive a copy of every message you >> post to the list? YES >> >> so it sends your own Gmail post to you@gmail, but see above. >> >> >> >> >> >> > 1. Replies I see from others have subjects prefixed >> >> >> >> The Mailing-list prepends '[OpenSCAD]'. My Email client prepends 'RE: ', >> yours does whatever, >> >> the Mailing-list cleans it up, >> >> ALL Emails, including yours, in my inbox have '[OpenSCAD] Re: ' (or no >> 'Re:' for a new thread) >> >> >> >> > 2. Why is the Author of my last reply shown in my client as >> >> > 'To: OpenSCAD general discussion' ? >> >> >> >> 'Author' is not an internet mail term. When you reply, you reply *to* >> the Mailing-list. >> >> >> >> > 3. I can send emails to myself successfully. >> >> >> >> Yes. One more time, Gmail DOES NOT SEND YOU YOUR OWN *POSTS* *to >> Mailing-lists*. >> >> >> >> NO you cannot configure your PC Agent & IOS & Gmail to get what you want. >> >> THE FORUM is not operational for new emails ATM. >> >> Empathy is not a Forum, it has limitations which will not get fixed. >> >> >> >> Life sux. Sorry. >> >> >> >> We are looking at options, including whether Nabble changes back or other >> options, >> >> but for now it is what it is. Changes will not happen quickly. >> >> >> >> >> >> Michael >> >> >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> >> > From: Ray West [mailto:raywest@raywest.com] >> >> > Sent: Sun, 4 Jul 2021 03:24 >> >> > To: discuss@lists.openscad.org >> >> > Subject: [OpenSCAD] problems that folk have with emails >> >> > >> >> > Is it not possible for folk to start a new subject for the fun that they >> >> > seem to have with email clients, instead of cluttering up other threads? >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > OpenSCAD mailing list >> >> > To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org >> >> >> >> >> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> >> >> Virus-free. www.avg.com >> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> >> >> >> <#m_8992275414145430755_m_5676437580064471014_m_-217394248020370984_m_-9052645809223018282_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> _______________________________________________ >> OpenSCAD mailing list >> To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org >> > _______________________________________________ > OpenSCAD mailing list > To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org >

Roger. 

On Sun, Jul 04, 2021 at 07:27:29PM +1000, Michael AtOz wrote: > Thanks for the report. > I mentioned I have three addresses subscribed as Admin. Sometimes I get two > emails, and the third turns up an hour or more later, always the Gmail > address. > It is a small subset of posters though. I have yet to get a correlation to > a specific cause. Could it be that they are greylisting based on sender address? Or maybe they accept the Email, tag it as "fishy", and postpone delivering it into your mailbox for a while, waiting if they end up seeing lots more of these similar-in-content fishy mails, indicating a spam run. Roger. > > > On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 at 18:52, Gareth Chen <garethenator@gmail.com> wrote: > > > FWIW I've noticed that emails from this list seem to be frequently picked > > up by Gmail's spam filter, and it sometimes doesn't get to my inbox at all > > until a couple of people have replied (nophead in particular seems to have > > been deemed trustworthy). > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 1:14 AM MichaelAtOz <oz.at.michael@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > >> Note for everyone: > >> > >> > >> > >> > The *ONE* person who developed "Empathy" (software), which is fairly > >> new (=bugs), > >> > >> > and who had provided support, *DIED*. > >> > >> & > >> > >> > Empathy is not a Forum, it has limitations which will not get fixed. > >> > >> > >> > >> We inherited Empathy when we were forced to migrate from Mailman2 to > >> Mailman3 in Mid March. > >> > >> The provider was no longer supporting Mailman2. It was inevitable, but we > >> were pushed with little notice. > >> > >> > >> > >> Mailman3 was not specifically supported by Nabble. It took some Nabble > >> customisation to get it to function. > >> > >> > >> > >> At the time Nabble, the Forum host, was acting normally, although we had > >> previous problems and knew we > >> > >> probably would want to migrate away from Nabble, it was very niche, and > >> support was waning. > >> > >> > >> > >> I tested Empathy at that time to see whether it could replace Nabble. > >> > >> It had potential, but there were significant limitations, with > >> improvements it may be better. > >> > >> There was Git based issues support and the developer was responsive to > >> change. > >> > >> > >> > >> We did not need people to access Empathy, because the Nabble hosted Forum > >> was THE email archive. > >> > >> > >> > >> Then in Mid May the developer DIED, and it became obvious the company was > >> mostly a one man band. > >> > >> Dear EMWD Clients: > >> > >> With great sadness we report the death of our founder and president Brian > >> Carpenter. With this tragedy comes questions regarding the future > >> operations of EMWD. We want to assure you that we are working on continuing > >> the level of service to which you are accustomed. We are considering > >> several offers for the company and are hoping to have all issues resolved > >> soon. > >> > >> Thank you for your patience as we work through this transition. > >> > >> On behalf of Barbara Carpenter and Brian's family, we thank you for your > >> business. > >> > >> --EMWD Customer Support > >> > >> Then in early June Nabble posted on their Forum, without sending it to > >> administrators: > >> > >> > >> > >> The feature which allows users to post by email probably will be removed. > >> > >> > >> > >> Then in mid June, without informing administrators, they chopped > >> Mailing-list support, including all customisation > >> > >> implemented for Mailman3. Nabble no longer accepted emails from the > >> Mailing-List, and Forum posts were not sent to the List. > >> > >> The Forum was effectively defunct. > >> > >> > >> > >> We were not alone, all the screams from many Administrators, did not seem > >> to matter. > >> > >> > >> > >> I won't go into further details, but I sent my 'IMPORTANT!...' email > >> <https://lists.openscad.org/empathy/thread/EAAMMV6J6NW3WFRSWQ7MINOSBEYDQ6XH>. > >> Which included: > >> > >> > >> > >> In the interim, I recommend you use the Mailing-list and do not post to > >> the Forum. > >> > >> Basically nobody will see your post unless they specifically go looking > >> on the Forum. > >> > >> > >> > >> If you are desperate to see messages via a Web page, use the Mailing-list > >> Archive: > >> > >> https://lists.openscad.org/empathy/list/discuss.lists.openscad.org > >> > >> > >> > >> If you are also desperate to post new messages via a Web page you can > >> also use the Archive, > >> > >> but you will need to https://lists.openscad.org/register to create a > >> password for the email address that > >> > >> you subscribed with, then you can logon to the Archive and post. > >> > >> Note the editor there has limitations. > >> > >> > >> > >> So today, we have a Mailing-list. We do not have a Forum (that gets > >> updated). > >> > >> The Empathy front-end to the Mailing-list archive, is not a Forum, it has > >> bugs, is not ideal and won't get fixed soon. > >> > >> I don't recommend posting via Empathy, but if you make them vanilla, it > >> sort of works, muchly. > >> > >> > >> > >> We are considering the future, but it will not be screaming into > >> resolution any time soon. > >> > >> > >> > >> This is where we are at. > >> > >> We will have to live within its limitations. > >> > >> Your perseverance will be appreciated. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> MichaelAtOz, > >> > >> I used to say 'Forum Admin' > >> > >> > >> > >> We appreciate all the feedback provided on future requirements, options > >> and desires, we do not need to repeat that exercise. > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> *From:* MichaelAtOz [mailto:oz.at.michael@gmail.com] > >> *Sent:* Sun, 4 Jul 2021 11:17 > >> *To:* 'OpenSCAD general discussion' > >> *Subject:* [OpenSCAD] Re: problems that folk have with emails > >> > >> > >> > >> Ray, yeh, one off-thread comment & it spreads like weeds... > >> > >> > >> > >> Terry, > >> > >> > >> > >> The *ONE* person who developed "Empathy" (software), which is fairly new > >> (=bugs), > >> > >> and who had provided support, *DIED*. > >> > >> > >> > >> Empathy has no support. It will not change anytime soon. > >> > >> Don't report Empathy things, unless it is down or you can't logon. > >> > >> > >> > >> IMAP has nothing to do with this. > >> > >> > >> > >> > gmail web client and I see my own posts inserted into the thread. > >> > >> > If I start a new thread it will just be in my sent folder but when > >> there are replies it > >> > >> > becomes a single thread in my inbox. I don't think it comes from the > >> mailing list. > >> > >> > >> > >> Gmail does it's own thing > >> <https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6588?hl=en>, it is not a > >> plain-old-email-forwarder. Try Gmail's All-mail. > >> > >> When they say 'to save you time and prevent clutter', they mean save them > >> megabucks. > >> > >> > >> > >> Some.member's replies are *not to you*. Your replies are *not to* > >> some.member. > >> > >> Everything is *to/from* the Mailing-list. > >> > >> > >> > >> Replies (*usually - unless someone specifically does something else*) > >> come *to you* *from the Mailing-list*. > >> > >> Because when some.member of the List *received an email*, some.member > >> gets it *from the List*. > >> > >> It is configured so the Return-To path is *to the List*. > >> > >> So some.member's reply, is *to the List* *not to you (notionally to > >> everyone)*, > >> > >> the List then sends it to everyone, including you@gmail, you get it *from > >> the List*. > >> > >> > >> > >> The List is configured, by default, with: > >> > >> Receive own postings: Do you want to receive a copy of every message you > >> post to the list? YES > >> > >> so it sends your own Gmail post to you@gmail, but see above. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > 1. Replies I see from others have subjects prefixed > >> > >> > >> > >> The Mailing-list prepends '[OpenSCAD]'. My Email client prepends 'RE: ', > >> yours does whatever, > >> > >> the Mailing-list cleans it up, > >> > >> ALL Emails, including yours, in my inbox have '[OpenSCAD] Re: ' (or no > >> 'Re:' for a new thread) > >> > >> > >> > >> > 2. Why is the Author of my last reply shown in my client as > >> > >> > 'To: OpenSCAD general discussion' ? > >> > >> > >> > >> 'Author' is not an internet mail term. When you reply, you reply *to* > >> the Mailing-list. > >> > >> > >> > >> > 3. I can send emails to myself successfully. > >> > >> > >> > >> Yes. One more time, Gmail DOES NOT SEND YOU YOUR OWN *POSTS* *to > >> Mailing-lists*. > >> > >> > >> > >> NO you cannot configure your PC Agent & IOS & Gmail to get what you want. > >> > >> THE FORUM is not operational for new emails ATM. > >> > >> Empathy is not a Forum, it has limitations which will not get fixed. > >> > >> > >> > >> Life sux. Sorry. > >> > >> > >> > >> We are looking at options, including whether Nabble changes back or other > >> options, > >> > >> but for now it is what it is. Changes will not happen quickly. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Michael > >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > >> > From: Ray West [mailto:raywest@raywest.com] > >> > >> > Sent: Sun, 4 Jul 2021 03:24 > >> > >> > To: discuss@lists.openscad.org > >> > >> > Subject: [OpenSCAD] problems that folk have with emails > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Is it not possible for folk to start a new subject for the fun that they > >> > >> > seem to have with email clients, instead of cluttering up other threads? > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > >> > OpenSCAD mailing list > >> > >> > To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> > >> > >> Virus-free. www.avg.com > >> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> > >> > >> > >> <#m_8992275414145430755_m_5676437580064471014_m_-217394248020370984_m_-9052645809223018282_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> OpenSCAD mailing list > >> To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > OpenSCAD mailing list > > To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org > > > _______________________________________________ > OpenSCAD mailing list > To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org -- ** R.E.Wolff@BitWizard.nl ** https://www.BitWizard.nl/ ** +31-15-2049110 ** ** Delftechpark 11 2628 XJ Delft, The Netherlands. 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     Roger.

Yes I just found two OpenSCAD emails in my spam folder. Previously it was just a few people consistently but now it seems to be random since the mailing list changed. On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 at 12:07, Rogier Wolff <R.E.Wolff@bitwizard.nl> wrote: > On Sun, Jul 04, 2021 at 07:27:29PM +1000, Michael AtOz wrote: > > Thanks for the report. > > I mentioned I have three addresses subscribed as Admin. Sometimes I get > two > > emails, and the third turns up an hour or more later, always the Gmail > > address. > > It is a small subset of posters though. I have yet to get a correlation > to > > a specific cause. > > Could it be that they are greylisting based on sender address? Or > maybe they accept the Email, tag it as "fishy", and postpone > delivering it into your mailbox for a while, waiting if they end up > seeing lots more of these similar-in-content fishy mails, indicating a > spam run. > > Roger. > > > > > > > > On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 at 18:52, Gareth Chen <garethenator@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > FWIW I've noticed that emails from this list seem to be frequently > picked > > > up by Gmail's spam filter, and it sometimes doesn't get to my inbox at > all > > > until a couple of people have replied (nophead in particular seems to > have > > > been deemed trustworthy). > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 1:14 AM MichaelAtOz <oz.at.michael@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Note for everyone: > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > The *ONE* person who developed "Empathy" (software), which is fairly > > >> new (=bugs), > > >> > > >> > and who had provided support, *DIED*. > > >> > > >> & > > >> > > >> > Empathy is not a Forum, it has limitations which will not get fixed. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> We inherited Empathy when we were forced to migrate from Mailman2 to > > >> Mailman3 in Mid March. > > >> > > >> The provider was no longer supporting Mailman2. It was inevitable, > but we > > >> were pushed with little notice. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Mailman3 was not specifically supported by Nabble. It took some Nabble > > >> customisation to get it to function. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> At the time Nabble, the Forum host, was acting normally, although we > had > > >> previous problems and knew we > > >> > > >> probably would want to migrate away from Nabble, it was very niche, > and > > >> support was waning. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> I tested Empathy at that time to see whether it could replace Nabble. > > >> > > >> It had potential, but there were significant limitations, with > > >> improvements it may be better. > > >> > > >> There was Git based issues support and the developer was responsive to > > >> change. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> We did not need people to access Empathy, because the Nabble hosted > Forum > > >> was THE email archive. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Then in Mid May the developer DIED, and it became obvious the company > was > > >> mostly a one man band. > > >> > > >> Dear EMWD Clients: > > >> > > >> With great sadness we report the death of our founder and president > Brian > > >> Carpenter. With this tragedy comes questions regarding the future > > >> operations of EMWD. We want to assure you that we are working on > continuing > > >> the level of service to which you are accustomed. We are considering > > >> several offers for the company and are hoping to have all issues > resolved > > >> soon. > > >> > > >> Thank you for your patience as we work through this transition. > > >> > > >> On behalf of Barbara Carpenter and Brian's family, we thank you for > your > > >> business. > > >> > > >> --EMWD Customer Support > > >> > > >> Then in early June Nabble posted on their Forum, without sending it to > > >> administrators: > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> The feature which allows users to post by email probably will be > removed. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Then in mid June, without informing administrators, they chopped > > >> Mailing-list support, including all customisation > > >> > > >> implemented for Mailman3. Nabble no longer accepted emails from the > > >> Mailing-List, and Forum posts were not sent to the List. > > >> > > >> The Forum was effectively defunct. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> We were not alone, all the screams from many Administrators, did not > seem > > >> to matter. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> I won't go into further details, but I sent my 'IMPORTANT!...' email > > >> < > https://lists.openscad.org/empathy/thread/EAAMMV6J6NW3WFRSWQ7MINOSBEYDQ6XH > >. > > >> Which included: > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> In the interim, I recommend you use the Mailing-list and do not post > to > > >> the Forum. > > >> > > >> Basically nobody will see your post unless they specifically go > looking > > >> on the Forum. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> If you are desperate to see messages via a Web page, use the > Mailing-list > > >> Archive: > > >> > > >> https://lists.openscad.org/empathy/list/discuss.lists.openscad.org > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> If you are also desperate to post new messages via a Web page you can > > >> also use the Archive, > > >> > > >> but you will need to https://lists.openscad.org/register to create a > > >> password for the email address that > > >> > > >> you subscribed with, then you can logon to the Archive and post. > > >> > > >> Note the editor there has limitations. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> So today, we have a Mailing-list. We do not have a Forum (that gets > > >> updated). > > >> > > >> The Empathy front-end to the Mailing-list archive, is not a Forum, it > has > > >> bugs, is not ideal and won't get fixed soon. > > >> > > >> I don't recommend posting via Empathy, but if you make them vanilla, > it > > >> sort of works, muchly. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> We are considering the future, but it will not be screaming into > > >> resolution any time soon. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> This is where we are at. > > >> > > >> We will have to live within its limitations. > > >> > > >> Your perseverance will be appreciated. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> MichaelAtOz, > > >> > > >> I used to say 'Forum Admin' > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> We appreciate all the feedback provided on future requirements, > options > > >> and desires, we do not need to repeat that exercise. > > >> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------ > > >> > > >> *From:* MichaelAtOz [mailto:oz.at.michael@gmail.com] > > >> *Sent:* Sun, 4 Jul 2021 11:17 > > >> *To:* 'OpenSCAD general discussion' > > >> *Subject:* [OpenSCAD] Re: problems that folk have with emails > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Ray, yeh, one off-thread comment & it spreads like weeds... > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Terry, > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> The *ONE* person who developed "Empathy" (software), which is fairly > new > > >> (=bugs), > > >> > > >> and who had provided support, *DIED*. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Empathy has no support. It will not change anytime soon. > > >> > > >> Don't report Empathy things, unless it is down or you can't logon. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> IMAP has nothing to do with this. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > gmail web client and I see my own posts inserted into the thread. > > >> > > >> > If I start a new thread it will just be in my sent folder but when > > >> there are replies it > > >> > > >> > becomes a single thread in my inbox. I don't think it comes from the > > >> mailing list. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Gmail does it's own thing > > >> <https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6588?hl=en>, it is not a > > >> plain-old-email-forwarder. Try Gmail's All-mail. > > >> > > >> When they say 'to save you time and prevent clutter', they mean save > them > > >> megabucks. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Some.member's replies are *not to you*. Your replies are *not to* > > >> some.member. > > >> > > >> Everything is *to/from* the Mailing-list. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Replies (*usually - unless someone specifically does something else*) > > >> come *to you* *from the Mailing-list*. > > >> > > >> Because when some.member of the List *received an email*, some.member > > >> gets it *from the List*. > > >> > > >> It is configured so the Return-To path is *to the List*. > > >> > > >> So some.member's reply, is *to the List* *not to you (notionally to > > >> everyone)*, > > >> > > >> the List then sends it to everyone, including you@gmail, you get it > *from > > >> the List*. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> The List is configured, by default, with: > > >> > > >> Receive own postings: Do you want to receive a copy of every message > you > > >> post to the list? YES > > >> > > >> so it sends your own Gmail post to you@gmail, but see above. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > 1. Replies I see from others have subjects prefixed > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> The Mailing-list prepends '[OpenSCAD]'. My Email client prepends 'RE: > ', > > >> yours does whatever, > > >> > > >> the Mailing-list cleans it up, > > >> > > >> ALL Emails, including yours, in my inbox have '[OpenSCAD] Re: ' (or no > > >> 'Re:' for a new thread) > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > 2. Why is the Author of my last reply shown in my client as > > >> > > >> > 'To: OpenSCAD general discussion' ? > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> 'Author' is not an internet mail term. When you reply, you reply *to* > > >> the Mailing-list. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > 3. I can send emails to myself successfully. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Yes. One more time, Gmail DOES NOT SEND YOU YOUR OWN *POSTS* *to > > >> Mailing-lists*. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> NO you cannot configure your PC Agent & IOS & Gmail to get what you > want. > > >> > > >> THE FORUM is not operational for new emails ATM. > > >> > > >> Empathy is not a Forum, it has limitations which will not get fixed. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Life sux. Sorry. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> We are looking at options, including whether Nabble changes back or > other > > >> options, > > >> > > >> but for now it is what it is. Changes will not happen quickly. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Michael > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > > >> > > >> > From: Ray West [mailto:raywest@raywest.com] > > >> > > >> > Sent: Sun, 4 Jul 2021 03:24 > > >> > > >> > To: discuss@lists.openscad.org > > >> > > >> > Subject: [OpenSCAD] problems that folk have with emails > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > Is it not possible for folk to start a new subject for the fun that > they > > >> > > >> > seem to have with email clients, instead of cluttering up other > threads? > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> > > >> > OpenSCAD mailing list > > >> > > >> > To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> < > http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient > > > > >> > > >> Virus-free. www.avg.com > > >> < > http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > <#m_8992275414145430755_m_5676437580064471014_m_-217394248020370984_m_-9052645809223018282_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> OpenSCAD mailing list > > >> To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > OpenSCAD mailing list > > > To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OpenSCAD mailing list > > To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org > > > -- > ** R.E.Wolff@BitWizard.nl ** https://www.BitWizard.nl/ ** +31-15-2049110 > ** > ** Delftechpark 11 2628 XJ Delft, The Netherlands. 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    rotate([180,0,0])

    {

        difference(){

        baseHandle();

        baseHandleCut();

        }

    }

}

hull(){

 cube([grip_lr,gripin_w,l_back],center = true);

 cube([gripin_h,grip_ob,l_back],center = true);

}

hull(){

 cube([grip_lr, gripin_w + dikte,l_back],center = true);

 cube([gripin_h + dikte,grip_ob,l_back],center = true);

}

linear_extrude(height=l_back, scale=[r_factor,r_factor], slices=1,

projection() gripOutHandle();

linear_extrude(height=l_back, scale=[r_factor,r_factor], slices=1,

projection() gripInHandle();

I drew this to help me understand the parameters and follow the code more easily. So may be helpful to others. Attached or here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/mvuathppe8a1z3o/BenOctagonParameters.jpg?raw=1 Terry ==================== On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 11:27:07 +0200, you wrote: >https://pasteboard.co/K9AE8AS.png > >https://pasteboard.co/K9AEnGF.png > > > >With letter: > >https://pasteboard.co/K9AEEJK.png > > > >a and b have tob e parameterized and c is the "extrude" going from say >larger a and b values to smaller? > > > >I hope this clears more up from? > > > >I now did it like: > >[code] > >poly_n = 8; > >gripin_w = 32.0; > >gripin_h = 28.0; > >grip_ob = 19.0; > >grip_lr = 16.0; > >l_mid = 138.0; > > > >l_back = 30.0; > >r_factor = 1.25; > > > >dikte = 2.0; //deelt door 2 in uiteindelijke model! > > > >rotate([90,90,180]) > >{ > >translate([0,0,-1*(l_mid/2)]) > > rotate([180,0,0]) > > { > > difference(){ > > baseHandle(); > > baseHandleCut(); > > } > > } > > } > > > >module gripInHandle(wid,height){ > > > > hull(){ > > cube([grip_lr,gripin_w,l_back],center = true); > > cube([gripin_h,grip_ob,l_back],center = true); > > } > >} > > > >module gripOutHandle(wid,height){ > > hull(){ > > cube([grip_lr, gripin_w + dikte,l_back],center = true); > > cube([gripin_h + dikte,grip_ob,l_back],center = true); > > } > >} > > > >module baseHandle() > >{ > > linear_extrude(height=l_back, scale=[r_factor,r_factor], slices=1, >twist=0) > > projection() gripOutHandle(); > >} > > > >module baseHandleCut() > >{ > > linear_extrude(height=l_back, scale=[r_factor,r_factor], slices=1, >twist=0) > > projection() gripInHandle(); > >} > >[/code] > > > >Ben > > > >Van: Ray West <raywest@raywest.com> >Verzonden: zaterdag 3 juli 2021 12:09 >Aan: discuss@lists.openscad.org >Onderwerp: [OpenSCAD] Re: New and a question > > > >Sorry, not a clear enough description. Is it a simple or complex polygon, is >concave acceptable? How will you refer to the specific corners? How will you >ensure that all the angles are valid, or are you just changing one or two, >and hoping the rest will sort themselves out, and whatever the result is, it >doesn't matter?. Any 7 random x,y coordinates can generate an 8 sided >polygon. What have you tried? Is a Mk 1 eyeball good enough, or are you >looking for precision, involving doing some sums? >https://www.mathsisfun.com/geometry/octagon.html > >On 02/07/2021 15:26, disruptivesolutionsnl@gmail.com ><mailto:disruptivesolutionsnl@gmail.com> wrote: > >Hello, > > > >I am new to his forum/mailing list, so thank you for having me! > > > >I want to make an octagonal shape (8 sides) where I could change the angle >of each corner, so the lengths of the "lines" between them is not >equivalent. How could I do this? > > > >I hope my question is clear enough without presenting an example picture. > > > >With kind regards, > >Ben > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >OpenSCAD mailing list >To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org ><mailto:discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org>

    rotate([180,0,0])

    {

        difference(){

        baseHandle();

        baseHandleCut();

        }

    }

}

hull(){

 cube([grip_lr,gripin_w,l_back],center = true);

 cube([gripin_h,grip_ob,l_back],center = true);

}

hull(){

 cube([grip_lr, gripin_w + dikte,l_back],center = true);

 cube([gripin_h + dikte,grip_ob,l_back],center = true);

}

linear_extrude(height=l_back, scale=[r_factor,r_factor], slices=1,

projection() gripOutHandle();

linear_extrude(height=l_back, scale=[r_factor,r_factor], slices=1,

projection() gripInHandle();

If that’s what you want, then create a regular octagon and scale it along the x-axis (or shrink it along y, I guess). No trig needed. On Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 7:28 AM Terry <terrypingm@gmail.com> wrote: > I drew this to help me understand the parameters and follow the code > more easily. So may be helpful to others. Attached or here: > https://www.dropbox.com/s/mvuathppe8a1z3o/BenOctagonParameters.jpg?raw=1 > > Terry > > ==================== > > > > > On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 11:27:07 +0200, you wrote: > > >https://pasteboard.co/K9AE8AS.png > > > >https://pasteboard.co/K9AEnGF.png > > > > > > > >With letter: > > > >https://pasteboard.co/K9AEEJK.png > > > > > > > >a and b have tob e parameterized and c is the "extrude" going from say > >larger a and b values to smaller? > > > > > > > >I hope this clears more up from? > > > > > > > >I now did it like: > > > >[code] > > > >poly_n = 8; > > > >gripin_w = 32.0; > > > >gripin_h = 28.0; > > > >grip_ob = 19.0; > > > >grip_lr = 16.0; > > > >l_mid = 138.0; > > > > > > > >l_back = 30.0; > > > >r_factor = 1.25; > > > > > > > >dikte = 2.0; //deelt door 2 in uiteindelijke model! > > > > > > > >rotate([90,90,180]) > > > >{ > > > >translate([0,0,-1*(l_mid/2)]) > > > > rotate([180,0,0]) > > > > { > > > > difference(){ > > > > baseHandle(); > > > > baseHandleCut(); > > > > } > > > > } > > > > } > > > > > > > >module gripInHandle(wid,height){ > > > > > > > > hull(){ > > > > cube([grip_lr,gripin_w,l_back],center = true); > > > > cube([gripin_h,grip_ob,l_back],center = true); > > > > } > > > >} > > > > > > > >module gripOutHandle(wid,height){ > > > > hull(){ > > > > cube([grip_lr, gripin_w + dikte,l_back],center = true); > > > > cube([gripin_h + dikte,grip_ob,l_back],center = true); > > > > } > > > >} > > > > > > > >module baseHandle() > > > >{ > > > > linear_extrude(height=l_back, scale=[r_factor,r_factor], slices=1, > >twist=0) > > > > projection() gripOutHandle(); > > > >} > > > > > > > >module baseHandleCut() > > > >{ > > > > linear_extrude(height=l_back, scale=[r_factor,r_factor], slices=1, > >twist=0) > > > > projection() gripInHandle(); > > > >} > > > >[/code] > > > > > > > >Ben > > > > > > > >Van: Ray West <raywest@raywest.com> > >Verzonden: zaterdag 3 juli 2021 12:09 > >Aan: discuss@lists.openscad.org > >Onderwerp: [OpenSCAD] Re: New and a question > > > > > > > >Sorry, not a clear enough description. Is it a simple or complex polygon, > is > >concave acceptable? How will you refer to the specific corners? How will > you > >ensure that all the angles are valid, or are you just changing one or two, > >and hoping the rest will sort themselves out, and whatever the result is, > it > >doesn't matter?. Any 7 random x,y coordinates can generate an 8 sided > >polygon. What have you tried? Is a Mk 1 eyeball good enough, or are you > >looking for precision, involving doing some sums? > >https://www.mathsisfun.com/geometry/octagon.html > > > >On 02/07/2021 15:26, disruptivesolutionsnl@gmail.com > ><mailto:disruptivesolutionsnl@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >Hello, > > > > > > > >I am new to his forum/mailing list, so thank you for having me! > > > > > > > >I want to make an octagonal shape (8 sides) where I could change the angle > >of each corner, so the lengths of the "lines" between them is not > >equivalent. How could I do this? > > > > > > > >I hope my question is clear enough without presenting an example picture. > > > > > > > >With kind regards, > > > >Ben > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >OpenSCAD mailing list > >To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org > ><mailto:discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org> > _______________________________________________ > OpenSCAD mailing list > To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org >

    rotate([180,0,0])

    {

        difference(){

        baseHandle();

        baseHandleCut();

        }

    }

}

hull(){

 cube([grip_lr,gripin_w,l_back],center = true);

 cube([gripin_h,grip_ob,l_back],center = true);

}

hull(){

 cube([grip_lr, gripin_w + dikte,l_back],center = true);

 cube([gripin_h + dikte,grip_ob,l_back],center = true);

}

linear_extrude(height=l_back, scale=[r_factor,r_factor], slices=1,

projection() gripOutHandle();

linear_extrude(height=l_back, scale=[r_factor,r_factor], slices=1,

projection() gripInHandle();

My mistake, that won't work. Gotta run now, but as long as the angles are all 45 degrees, it's still easy enough to do. If no one beats me to it, I'll do it this afternoon. On Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 7:28 AM Terry <terrypingm@gmail.com> wrote: > I drew this to help me understand the parameters and follow the code > more easily. So may be helpful to others. Attached or here: > https://www.dropbox.com/s/mvuathppe8a1z3o/BenOctagonParameters.jpg?raw=1 > > Terry > > ==================== > > > > > On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 11:27:07 +0200, you wrote: > > >https://pasteboard.co/K9AE8AS.png > > > >https://pasteboard.co/K9AEnGF.png > > > > > > > >With letter: > > > >https://pasteboard.co/K9AEEJK.png > > > > > > > >a and b have tob e parameterized and c is the "extrude" going from say > >larger a and b values to smaller? > > > > > > > >I hope this clears more up from? > > > > > > > >I now did it like: > > > >[code] > > > >poly_n = 8; > > > >gripin_w = 32.0; > > > >gripin_h = 28.0; > > > >grip_ob = 19.0; > > > >grip_lr = 16.0; > > > >l_mid = 138.0; > > > > > > > >l_back = 30.0; > > > >r_factor = 1.25; > > > > > > > >dikte = 2.0; //deelt door 2 in uiteindelijke model! > > > > > > > >rotate([90,90,180]) > > > >{ > > > >translate([0,0,-1*(l_mid/2)]) > > > > rotate([180,0,0]) > > > > { > > > > difference(){ > > > > baseHandle(); > > > > baseHandleCut(); > > > > } > > > > } > > > > } > > > > > > > >module gripInHandle(wid,height){ > > > > > > > > hull(){ > > > > cube([grip_lr,gripin_w,l_back],center = true); > > > > cube([gripin_h,grip_ob,l_back],center = true); > > > > } > > > >} > > > > > > > >module gripOutHandle(wid,height){ > > > > hull(){ > > > > cube([grip_lr, gripin_w + dikte,l_back],center = true); > > > > cube([gripin_h + dikte,grip_ob,l_back],center = true); > > > > } > > > >} > > > > > > > >module baseHandle() > > > >{ > > > > linear_extrude(height=l_back, scale=[r_factor,r_factor], slices=1, > >twist=0) > > > > projection() gripOutHandle(); > > > >} > > > > > > > >module baseHandleCut() > > > >{ > > > > linear_extrude(height=l_back, scale=[r_factor,r_factor], slices=1, > >twist=0) > > > > projection() gripInHandle(); > > > >} > > > >[/code] > > > > > > > >Ben > > > > > > > >Van: Ray West <raywest@raywest.com> > >Verzonden: zaterdag 3 juli 2021 12:09 > >Aan: discuss@lists.openscad.org > >Onderwerp: [OpenSCAD] Re: New and a question > > > > > > > >Sorry, not a clear enough description. Is it a simple or complex polygon, > is > >concave acceptable? How will you refer to the specific corners? How will > you > >ensure that all the angles are valid, or are you just changing one or two, > >and hoping the rest will sort themselves out, and whatever the result is, > it > >doesn't matter?. Any 7 random x,y coordinates can generate an 8 sided > >polygon. What have you tried? Is a Mk 1 eyeball good enough, or are you > >looking for precision, involving doing some sums? > >https://www.mathsisfun.com/geometry/octagon.html > > > >On 02/07/2021 15:26, disruptivesolutionsnl@gmail.com > ><mailto:disruptivesolutionsnl@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >Hello, > > > > > > > >I am new to his forum/mailing list, so thank you for having me! > > > > > > > >I want to make an octagonal shape (8 sides) where I could change the angle > >of each corner, so the lengths of the "lines" between them is not > >equivalent. How could I do this? > > > > > > > >I hope my question is clear enough without presenting an example picture. > > > > > > > >With kind regards, > > > >Ben > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >OpenSCAD mailing list > >To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org > ><mailto:discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org> > _______________________________________________ > OpenSCAD mailing list > To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org >