T
Terry
Sat, Jul 3, 2021 2:49 PM
OK, my misunderstanding. I thought that (daft) Gmail restriction applied
only to an initial post to the mailing list, not to replies to others'
posts. So it makes the thread confusing to follow in my client, and for
me at least it makes Empathy more than a convenience!
Terry
On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 00:21:46 +1000, you wrote:
I received your previous email "From: Terry terrypingm@gmail.com"
As previously explained gmail does not send emails from you to you.
Please do not report anything further re Empathy.
It is no longer supported. It is available for people to use as a convenience.
-----Original Message-----
From: Terry [mailto:terrypingm@gmail.com]
Sent: Sun, 4 Jul 2021 00:11
To: OpenSCAD general discussion
Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: New and a question
I posted a reply at 11:14 and it promptly appeared in Empathy. (Actually
an hour before, according to the time stamp!) But nearly five hours
later I've still have not received it in my mail (nor another reply
posted at 11:37).
I'll try again. Here's a copy/paste from my Sent folder
Hardly 'critical' but the corruption of code in Empathy was serious
enough to get a warning mention IMO.
I see it occurs again in Revar's post. Empathy clearly doesn't like the
asterisk symbol. Sometimes treating it as a signal to switch on italics.
Who knows what other symbols are wrongly handled?
Original:
let(ang=a+bsmall_ang)
r[cos(ang), sin(ang)]
Empathy corruption:
let(ang=a+bsmall_ang)
r[cos(ang), sin(ang)]
So using its impressively large archive to search and use helpful code
from years before I became a subscriber is no longer sensible.
Terry
On Sat, 3 Jul 2021 11:24:40 +1000, you wrote:
Terry,
The Mailing-list Archive is not a Forum, I presume you are referring to it.
To save confusion, call it Empathy. (THE Forum is not dead yet, it's Schrodinger)
I did mention posting via Empathy had limitations. Gmail via web is probably your better
option
(with your previously mentioned considerations).
Note that the format of the Empathy post/email is actually stored correctly for
posterity,
it is just badly displayed.
But as I've said, things are not likely to get fixed in a hurry,
so for now it is probably not worth noting such things, unless they are critical.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: Terry [mailto:terrypingm@gmail.com]
Sent: Sat, 3 Jul 2021 05:36
To: OpenSCAD general discussion
Cc: Terry (GMail)
Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: New and a question
It's odd that my post is accessible in the forum but I haven't yet
received it as an email. Anyway, in the forum somehow the pasted code
has been corrupted (as you see from the accompanying screenshot.
Hopefully the email will be correct.
OpenSCAD mailing list
To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org
OK, my misunderstanding. I thought that (daft) Gmail restriction applied
only to an initial post to the mailing list, not to replies to others'
posts. So it makes the thread confusing to follow in my client, and for
me at least it makes Empathy more than a convenience!
Terry
On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 00:21:46 +1000, you wrote:
>I received your previous email "From: Terry <terrypingm@gmail.com>"
>As previously explained gmail does not send emails from you to you.
>
>Please do not report anything further re Empathy.
>It is no longer supported. It is available for people to use as a convenience.
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Terry [mailto:terrypingm@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Sun, 4 Jul 2021 00:11
>> To: OpenSCAD general discussion
>> Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: New and a question
>>
>> I posted a reply at 11:14 and it promptly appeared in Empathy. (Actually
>> an hour before, according to the time stamp!) But nearly five hours
>> later I've still have not received it in my mail (nor another reply
>> posted at 11:37).
>>
>> I'll try again. Here's a copy/paste from my Sent folder
>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Hardly 'critical' but the corruption of code in Empathy was serious
>> enough to get a warning mention IMO.
>>
>> I see it occurs again in Revar's post. Empathy clearly doesn't like the
>> asterisk symbol. Sometimes treating it as a signal to switch on italics.
>> Who knows what other symbols are wrongly handled?
>>
>> Original:
>> let(ang=a+b*small_ang)
>> r*[cos(ang), sin(ang)]
>>
>> Empathy corruption:
>> let(ang=a+bsmall_ang)
>> r[cos(ang), sin(ang)]
>>
>> So using its impressively large archive to search and use helpful code
>> from years before I became a subscriber is no longer sensible.
>>
>> Terry
>> ====================
>>
>> On Sat, 3 Jul 2021 11:24:40 +1000, you wrote:
>>
>> >Terry,
>> >
>> >The Mailing-list Archive is not a Forum, I presume you are referring to it.
>> >To save confusion, call it Empathy. (THE Forum is not dead yet, it's Schrodinger)
>> >
>> >I did mention posting via Empathy had limitations. Gmail via web is probably your better
>> option
>> >(with your previously mentioned considerations).
>> >
>> >Note that the format of the Empathy post/email is actually stored correctly for
>> posterity,
>> >it is just badly displayed.
>> >
>> >But as I've said, things are not likely to get fixed in a hurry,
>> >so for now it is probably not worth noting such things, unless they are critical.
>> >
>> >Michael
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Terry [mailto:terrypingm@gmail.com]
>> >> Sent: Sat, 3 Jul 2021 05:36
>> >> To: OpenSCAD general discussion
>> >> Cc: Terry (GMail)
>> >> Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: New and a question
>> >>
>> >> It's odd that my post is accessible in the forum but I haven't yet
>> >> received it as an email. Anyway, in the forum somehow the pasted code
>> >> has been corrupted (as you see from the accompanying screenshot.
>> >> Hopefully the email will be correct.
>> _______________________________________________
>> OpenSCAD mailing list
>> To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org
NH
nop head
Sat, Jul 3, 2021 3:09 PM
I use the gmail web client and I see my own posts inserted into the thread.
If I start a new thread it will just be in my sent folder but when there
are replies it becomes a single thread in my inbox. I don't think it comes
from the mailing list.
So it looks to me like your email client isn't totally compatible with
gmail.
On Sat, 3 Jul 2021 at 15:49, Terry terrypingm@gmail.com wrote:
OK, my misunderstanding. I thought that (daft) Gmail restriction applied
only to an initial post to the mailing list, not to replies to others'
posts. So it makes the thread confusing to follow in my client, and for
me at least it makes Empathy more than a convenience!
Terry
On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 00:21:46 +1000, you wrote:
I received your previous email "From: Terry terrypingm@gmail.com"
As previously explained gmail does not send emails from you to you.
Please do not report anything further re Empathy.
It is no longer supported. It is available for people to use as a
-----Original Message-----
From: Terry [mailto:terrypingm@gmail.com]
Sent: Sun, 4 Jul 2021 00:11
To: OpenSCAD general discussion
Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: New and a question
I posted a reply at 11:14 and it promptly appeared in Empathy. (Actually
an hour before, according to the time stamp!) But nearly five hours
later I've still have not received it in my mail (nor another reply
posted at 11:37).
I'll try again. Here's a copy/paste from my Sent folder
Hardly 'critical' but the corruption of code in Empathy was serious
enough to get a warning mention IMO.
I see it occurs again in Revar's post. Empathy clearly doesn't like the
asterisk symbol. Sometimes treating it as a signal to switch on italics.
Who knows what other symbols are wrongly handled?
Original:
let(ang=a+bsmall_ang)
r[cos(ang), sin(ang)]
Empathy corruption:
let(ang=a+bsmall_ang)
r[cos(ang), sin(ang)]
So using its impressively large archive to search and use helpful code
from years before I became a subscriber is no longer sensible.
Terry
On Sat, 3 Jul 2021 11:24:40 +1000, you wrote:
Terry,
The Mailing-list Archive is not a Forum, I presume you are referring
To save confusion, call it Empathy. (THE Forum is not dead yet, it's
I did mention posting via Empathy had limitations. Gmail via web is
(with your previously mentioned considerations).
Note that the format of the Empathy post/email is actually stored
it is just badly displayed.
But as I've said, things are not likely to get fixed in a hurry,
so for now it is probably not worth noting such things, unless they
-----Original Message-----
From: Terry [mailto:terrypingm@gmail.com]
Sent: Sat, 3 Jul 2021 05:36
To: OpenSCAD general discussion
Cc: Terry (GMail)
Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: New and a question
It's odd that my post is accessible in the forum but I haven't yet
received it as an email. Anyway, in the forum somehow the pasted code
has been corrupted (as you see from the accompanying screenshot.
Hopefully the email will be correct.
I use the gmail web client and I see my own posts inserted into the thread.
If I start a new thread it will just be in my sent folder but when there
are replies it becomes a single thread in my inbox. I don't think it comes
from the mailing list.
So it looks to me like your email client isn't totally compatible with
gmail.
On Sat, 3 Jul 2021 at 15:49, Terry <terrypingm@gmail.com> wrote:
> OK, my misunderstanding. I thought that (daft) Gmail restriction applied
> only to an initial post to the mailing list, not to replies to others'
> posts. So it makes the thread confusing to follow in my client, and for
> me at least it makes Empathy more than a convenience!
>
> Terry
>
>
> On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 00:21:46 +1000, you wrote:
>
> >I received your previous email "From: Terry <terrypingm@gmail.com>"
> >As previously explained gmail does not send emails from you to you.
> >
> >Please do not report anything further re Empathy.
> >It is no longer supported. It is available for people to use as a
> convenience.
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Terry [mailto:terrypingm@gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Sun, 4 Jul 2021 00:11
> >> To: OpenSCAD general discussion
> >> Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: New and a question
> >>
> >> I posted a reply at 11:14 and it promptly appeared in Empathy. (Actually
> >> an hour before, according to the time stamp!) But nearly five hours
> >> later I've still have not received it in my mail (nor another reply
> >> posted at 11:37).
> >>
> >> I'll try again. Here's a copy/paste from my Sent folder
> >> -------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Hardly 'critical' but the corruption of code in Empathy was serious
> >> enough to get a warning mention IMO.
> >>
> >> I see it occurs again in Revar's post. Empathy clearly doesn't like the
> >> asterisk symbol. Sometimes treating it as a signal to switch on italics.
> >> Who knows what other symbols are wrongly handled?
> >>
> >> Original:
> >> let(ang=a+b*small_ang)
> >> r*[cos(ang), sin(ang)]
> >>
> >> Empathy corruption:
> >> let(ang=a+bsmall_ang)
> >> r[cos(ang), sin(ang)]
> >>
> >> So using its impressively large archive to search and use helpful code
> >> from years before I became a subscriber is no longer sensible.
> >>
> >> Terry
> >> ====================
> >>
> >> On Sat, 3 Jul 2021 11:24:40 +1000, you wrote:
> >>
> >> >Terry,
> >> >
> >> >The Mailing-list Archive is not a Forum, I presume you are referring
> to it.
> >> >To save confusion, call it Empathy. (THE Forum is not dead yet, it's
> Schrodinger)
> >> >
> >> >I did mention posting via Empathy had limitations. Gmail via web is
> probably your better
> >> option
> >> >(with your previously mentioned considerations).
> >> >
> >> >Note that the format of the Empathy post/email is actually stored
> correctly for
> >> posterity,
> >> >it is just badly displayed.
> >> >
> >> >But as I've said, things are not likely to get fixed in a hurry,
> >> >so for now it is probably not worth noting such things, unless they
> are critical.
> >> >
> >> >Michael
> >> >
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: Terry [mailto:terrypingm@gmail.com]
> >> >> Sent: Sat, 3 Jul 2021 05:36
> >> >> To: OpenSCAD general discussion
> >> >> Cc: Terry (GMail)
> >> >> Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: New and a question
> >> >>
> >> >> It's odd that my post is accessible in the forum but I haven't yet
> >> >> received it as an email. Anyway, in the forum somehow the pasted code
> >> >> has been corrupted (as you see from the accompanying screenshot.
> >> >> Hopefully the email will be correct.
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> OpenSCAD mailing list
> >> To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org
> _______________________________________________
> OpenSCAD mailing list
> To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org
>
T
Terry
Sat, Jul 3, 2021 4:41 PM
Michael,
Do you (anyone) also have insights as to what might be causing the
following:
-
Replies I see from others have subjects prefixed (automatically I
assume) with '[OpenSCAD]'. But the few I see from me start with 'Re:'
And subsequently this becomes, for example, 'Re: [OpenSCAD] Re: New and
a question'.
-
Why is the Author of my last reply shown in my client as 'To:
OpenSCAD general discussion' ?
-
I can send emails to myself successfully. Here's the full header of
an example, for possible clues.
Return-Path: terrypingm@gmail.com
Received: from Terry-2016.home ([5.80.203.36])
by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id
f62sm6743541wmf.22.2021.07.03.09.36.18
for terrypingm@gmail.com
(version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128);
Sat, 03 Jul 2021 09:36:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Terry terrypingm@gmail.com
To: terrypingm@gmail.com
Subject: Test from gmail to gmail with Agent
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2021 17:36:18 +0100
Message-ID: uf41eghqdp79d68kfmgpf0l93iqfh7hqmo@4ax.com
X-Mailer: Forte Agent 4.2/32.1118
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Agent-Received: from Gmail (POP) (pop.gmail.com); Sat, 03 Jul 2021
17:36:53 +0100
X-Agent-Junk-Probability: 0
Terry
====================
On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 00:21:46 +1000, you wrote:
I received your previous email "From: Terry terrypingm@gmail.com"
As previously explained gmail does not send emails from you to you.
Please do not report anything further re Empathy.
It is no longer supported. It is available for people to use as a convenience.
-----Original Message-----
From: Terry [mailto:terrypingm@gmail.com]
Sent: Sun, 4 Jul 2021 00:11
To: OpenSCAD general discussion
Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: New and a question
I posted a reply at 11:14 and it promptly appeared in Empathy. (Actually
an hour before, according to the time stamp!) But nearly five hours
later I've still have not received it in my mail (nor another reply
posted at 11:37).
I'll try again. Here's a copy/paste from my Sent folder
Hardly 'critical' but the corruption of code in Empathy was serious
enough to get a warning mention IMO.
I see it occurs again in Revar's post. Empathy clearly doesn't like the
asterisk symbol. Sometimes treating it as a signal to switch on italics.
Who knows what other symbols are wrongly handled?
Original:
let(ang=a+bsmall_ang)
r[cos(ang), sin(ang)]
Empathy corruption:
let(ang=a+bsmall_ang)
r[cos(ang), sin(ang)]
So using its impressively large archive to search and use helpful code
from years before I became a subscriber is no longer sensible.
Terry
On Sat, 3 Jul 2021 11:24:40 +1000, you wrote:
Terry,
The Mailing-list Archive is not a Forum, I presume you are referring to it.
To save confusion, call it Empathy. (THE Forum is not dead yet, it's Schrodinger)
I did mention posting via Empathy had limitations. Gmail via web is probably your better
option
(with your previously mentioned considerations).
Note that the format of the Empathy post/email is actually stored correctly for
posterity,
it is just badly displayed.
But as I've said, things are not likely to get fixed in a hurry,
so for now it is probably not worth noting such things, unless they are critical.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: Terry [mailto:terrypingm@gmail.com]
Sent: Sat, 3 Jul 2021 05:36
To: OpenSCAD general discussion
Cc: Terry (GMail)
Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: New and a question
It's odd that my post is accessible in the forum but I haven't yet
received it as an email. Anyway, in the forum somehow the pasted code
has been corrupted (as you see from the accompanying screenshot.
Hopefully the email will be correct.
OpenSCAD mailing list
To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org
Michael,
Do you (anyone) also have insights as to what might be causing the
following:
1. Replies I see from others have subjects prefixed (automatically I
assume) with '[OpenSCAD]'. But the few I see from me start with 'Re:'
And subsequently this becomes, for example, 'Re: [OpenSCAD] Re: New and
a question'.
2. Why is the Author of my last reply shown in my client as 'To:
OpenSCAD general discussion' ?
3. I can send emails to myself successfully. Here's the full header of
an example, for possible clues.
Return-Path: <terrypingm@gmail.com>
Received: from Terry-2016.home ([5.80.203.36])
by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id
f62sm6743541wmf.22.2021.07.03.09.36.18
for <terrypingm@gmail.com>
(version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128);
Sat, 03 Jul 2021 09:36:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Terry <terrypingm@gmail.com>
To: terrypingm@gmail.com
Subject: Test from gmail to gmail with Agent
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2021 17:36:18 +0100
Message-ID: <uf41eghqdp79d68kfmgpf0l93iqfh7hqmo@4ax.com>
X-Mailer: Forte Agent 4.2/32.1118
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Agent-Received: from Gmail (POP) (pop.gmail.com); Sat, 03 Jul 2021
17:36:53 +0100
X-Agent-Junk-Probability: 0
Terry
====================
On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 00:21:46 +1000, you wrote:
>I received your previous email "From: Terry <terrypingm@gmail.com>"
>As previously explained gmail does not send emails from you to you.
>
>Please do not report anything further re Empathy.
>It is no longer supported. It is available for people to use as a convenience.
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Terry [mailto:terrypingm@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Sun, 4 Jul 2021 00:11
>> To: OpenSCAD general discussion
>> Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: New and a question
>>
>> I posted a reply at 11:14 and it promptly appeared in Empathy. (Actually
>> an hour before, according to the time stamp!) But nearly five hours
>> later I've still have not received it in my mail (nor another reply
>> posted at 11:37).
>>
>> I'll try again. Here's a copy/paste from my Sent folder
>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Hardly 'critical' but the corruption of code in Empathy was serious
>> enough to get a warning mention IMO.
>>
>> I see it occurs again in Revar's post. Empathy clearly doesn't like the
>> asterisk symbol. Sometimes treating it as a signal to switch on italics.
>> Who knows what other symbols are wrongly handled?
>>
>> Original:
>> let(ang=a+b*small_ang)
>> r*[cos(ang), sin(ang)]
>>
>> Empathy corruption:
>> let(ang=a+bsmall_ang)
>> r[cos(ang), sin(ang)]
>>
>> So using its impressively large archive to search and use helpful code
>> from years before I became a subscriber is no longer sensible.
>>
>> Terry
>> ====================
>>
>> On Sat, 3 Jul 2021 11:24:40 +1000, you wrote:
>>
>> >Terry,
>> >
>> >The Mailing-list Archive is not a Forum, I presume you are referring to it.
>> >To save confusion, call it Empathy. (THE Forum is not dead yet, it's Schrodinger)
>> >
>> >I did mention posting via Empathy had limitations. Gmail via web is probably your better
>> option
>> >(with your previously mentioned considerations).
>> >
>> >Note that the format of the Empathy post/email is actually stored correctly for
>> posterity,
>> >it is just badly displayed.
>> >
>> >But as I've said, things are not likely to get fixed in a hurry,
>> >so for now it is probably not worth noting such things, unless they are critical.
>> >
>> >Michael
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Terry [mailto:terrypingm@gmail.com]
>> >> Sent: Sat, 3 Jul 2021 05:36
>> >> To: OpenSCAD general discussion
>> >> Cc: Terry (GMail)
>> >> Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: New and a question
>> >>
>> >> It's odd that my post is accessible in the forum but I haven't yet
>> >> received it as an email. Anyway, in the forum somehow the pasted code
>> >> has been corrupted (as you see from the accompanying screenshot.
>> >> Hopefully the email will be correct.
>> _______________________________________________
>> OpenSCAD mailing list
>> To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org
T
Terry
Sat, Jul 3, 2021 4:54 PM
nop head,
Very likely. Perhaps because no version of Agent supports IMAP. See also
my reply to Michael. Particularly my confirmation that (as I'd expect) I
can send myself emails to myself with my gmail address as both To and
From. Yet that seems to be contradicted by the behaviour I see with the
mailing list.
Yet hey, as must be obvious, email in general is largely a black art to
me. But I've only encountered so many puzzling issues since subscribing!
(I'll make sure I receive this by a BCC to myself. Tedious...)
Terry
====================
On Sat, 3 Jul 2021 16:09:10 +0100, you wrote:
I use the gmail web client and I see my own posts inserted into the thread.
If I start a new thread it will just be in my sent folder but when there
are replies it becomes a single thread in my inbox. I don't think it comes
from the mailing list.
So it looks to me like your email client isn't totally compatible with
gmail.
nop head,
Very likely. Perhaps because no version of Agent supports IMAP. See also
my reply to Michael. Particularly my confirmation that (as I'd expect) I
can send myself emails to myself with my gmail address as both To and
From. Yet that seems to be contradicted by the behaviour I see with the
mailing list.
Yet hey, as must be obvious, email in general is largely a black art to
me. But I've only encountered so many puzzling issues since subscribing!
(I'll make sure I receive this by a BCC to myself. Tedious...)
Terry
====================
On Sat, 3 Jul 2021 16:09:10 +0100, you wrote:
>I use the gmail web client and I see my own posts inserted into the thread.
>If I start a new thread it will just be in my sent folder but when there
>are replies it becomes a single thread in my inbox. I don't think it comes
>from the mailing list.
>
>So it looks to me like your email client isn't totally compatible with
>gmail.
>
RW
Ray West
Sat, Jul 3, 2021 5:23 PM
Is it not possible for folk to start a new subject for the fun that they
seem to have with email clients, instead of cluttering up other threads?
Is it not possible for folk to start a new subject for the fun that they
seem to have with email clients, instead of cluttering up other threads?
NH
nop head
Sat, Jul 3, 2021 7:12 PM
Yes I can send emails to myself but the mailing list doesn't send my own
emails back to me. Gmail has a record of what I sent and puts it in the
thread in between the emails from the mailing list.
On Sat, 3 Jul 2021 at 17:54, Terry terrypingm@gmail.com wrote:
nop head,
Very likely. Perhaps because no version of Agent supports IMAP. See also
my reply to Michael. Particularly my confirmation that (as I'd expect) I
can send myself emails to myself with my gmail address as both To and
From. Yet that seems to be contradicted by the behaviour I see with the
mailing list.
Yet hey, as must be obvious, email in general is largely a black art to
me. But I've only encountered so many puzzling issues since subscribing!
(I'll make sure I receive this by a BCC to myself. Tedious...)
Terry
====================
On Sat, 3 Jul 2021 16:09:10 +0100, you wrote:
I use the gmail web client and I see my own posts inserted into the
If I start a new thread it will just be in my sent folder but when there
are replies it becomes a single thread in my inbox. I don't think it comes
from the mailing list.
So it looks to me like your email client isn't totally compatible with
gmail.
Yes I can send emails to myself but the mailing list doesn't send my own
emails back to me. Gmail has a record of what I sent and puts it in the
thread in between the emails from the mailing list.
On Sat, 3 Jul 2021 at 17:54, Terry <terrypingm@gmail.com> wrote:
> nop head,
>
> Very likely. Perhaps because no version of Agent supports IMAP. See also
> my reply to Michael. Particularly my confirmation that (as I'd expect) I
> can send myself emails to myself with my gmail address as both To and
> From. Yet that seems to be contradicted by the behaviour I see with the
> mailing list.
>
> Yet hey, as must be obvious, email in general is largely a black art to
> me. But I've only encountered so many puzzling issues since subscribing!
>
> (I'll make sure I receive this by a BCC to myself. Tedious...)
>
> Terry
>
> ====================
>
> On Sat, 3 Jul 2021 16:09:10 +0100, you wrote:
>
> >I use the gmail web client and I see my own posts inserted into the
> thread.
> >If I start a new thread it will just be in my sent folder but when there
> >are replies it becomes a single thread in my inbox. I don't think it comes
> >from the mailing list.
> >
> >So it looks to me like your email client isn't totally compatible with
> >gmail.
> >
> _______________________________________________
> OpenSCAD mailing list
> To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org
>
M
MichaelAtOz
Sun, Jul 4, 2021 1:16 AM
Ray, yeh, one off-thread comment & it spreads like weeds...
Terry,
The ONE person who developed "Empathy" (software), which is fairly new (=bugs),
and who had provided support, DIED.
Empathy has no support. It will not change anytime soon.
Don't report Empathy things, unless it is down or you can't logon.
IMAP has nothing to do with this.
gmail web client and I see my own posts inserted into the thread.
If I start a new thread it will just be in my sent folder but when there are replies it
becomes a single thread in my inbox. I don't think it comes from the mailing list.
Gmail does https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6588?hl=en it's own thing, it is not a
plain-old-email-forwarder. Try Gmail's All-mail.
When they say 'to save you time and prevent clutter', they mean save them megabucks.
Some.member's replies are not to you. Your replies are not to some.member.
Everything is to/from the Mailing-list.
Replies (usually - unless someone specifically does something else) come to you from the
Mailing-list.
Because when some.member of the List received an email, some.member gets it from the List.
It is configured so the Return-To path is to the List.
So some.member's reply, is to the List not to you (notionally to everyone),
the List then sends it to everyone, including you@gmail, you get it from the List.
The List is configured, by default, with:
Receive own postings: Do you want to receive a copy of every message you post to the list? YES
so it sends your own Gmail post to you@gmail, but see above.
- Replies I see from others have subjects prefixed
The Mailing-list prepends '[OpenSCAD]'. My Email client prepends 'RE: ', yours does whatever,
the Mailing-list cleans it up,
ALL Emails, including yours, in my inbox have '[OpenSCAD] Re: ' (or no 'Re:' for a new thread)
- Why is the Author of my last reply shown in my client as
'To: OpenSCAD general discussion' ?
'Author' is not an internet mail term. When you reply, you reply to the Mailing-list.
- I can send emails to myself successfully.
Yes. One more time, Gmail DOES NOT SEND YOU YOUR OWN POSTS to Mailing-lists.
NO you cannot configure your PC Agent & IOS & Gmail to get what you want.
THE FORUM is not operational for new emails ATM.
Empathy is not a Forum, it has limitations which will not get fixed.
Life sux. Sorry.
We are looking at options, including whether Nabble changes back or other options,
but for now it is what it is. Changes will not happen quickly.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sun, 4 Jul 2021 03:24
Subject: [OpenSCAD] problems that folk have with emails
Is it not possible for folk to start a new subject for the fun that they
seem to have with email clients, instead of cluttering up other threads?
Ray, yeh, one off-thread comment & it spreads like weeds...
Terry,
The ONE person who developed "Empathy" (software), which is fairly new (=bugs),
and who had provided support, DIED.
Empathy has no support. It will not change anytime soon.
Don't report Empathy things, unless it is down or you can't logon.
IMAP has nothing to do with this.
> gmail web client and I see my own posts inserted into the thread.
> If I start a new thread it will just be in my sent folder but when there are replies it
> becomes a single thread in my inbox. I don't think it comes from the mailing list.
Gmail does <https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6588?hl=en> it's own thing, it is not a
plain-old-email-forwarder. Try Gmail's All-mail.
When they say 'to save you time and prevent clutter', they mean save them megabucks.
Some.member's replies are not to you. Your replies are not to some.member.
Everything is to/from the Mailing-list.
Replies (usually - unless someone specifically does something else) come to you from the
Mailing-list.
Because when some.member of the List received an email, some.member gets it from the List.
It is configured so the Return-To path is to the List.
So some.member's reply, is to the List not to you (notionally to everyone),
the List then sends it to everyone, including you@gmail, you get it from the List.
The List is configured, by default, with:
Receive own postings: Do you want to receive a copy of every message you post to the list? YES
so it sends your own Gmail post to you@gmail, but see above.
> 1. Replies I see from others have subjects prefixed
The Mailing-list prepends '[OpenSCAD]'. My Email client prepends 'RE: ', yours does whatever,
the Mailing-list cleans it up,
ALL Emails, including yours, in my inbox have '[OpenSCAD] Re: ' (or no 'Re:' for a new thread)
> 2. Why is the Author of my last reply shown in my client as
> 'To: OpenSCAD general discussion' ?
'Author' is not an internet mail term. When you reply, you reply to the Mailing-list.
> 3. I can send emails to myself successfully.
Yes. One more time, Gmail DOES NOT SEND YOU YOUR OWN POSTS to Mailing-lists.
NO you cannot configure your PC Agent & IOS & Gmail to get what you want.
THE FORUM is not operational for new emails ATM.
Empathy is not a Forum, it has limitations which will not get fixed.
Life sux. Sorry.
We are looking at options, including whether Nabble changes back or other options,
but for now it is what it is. Changes will not happen quickly.
Michael
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ray West [mailto:raywest@raywest.com]
> Sent: Sun, 4 Jul 2021 03:24
> To: discuss@lists.openscad.org
> Subject: [OpenSCAD] problems that folk have with emails
>
> Is it not possible for folk to start a new subject for the fun that they
> seem to have with email clients, instead of cluttering up other threads?
> _______________________________________________
> OpenSCAD mailing list
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MichaelAtOz
Sun, Jul 4, 2021 8:14 AM
The ONE person who developed "Empathy" (software), which is fairly new (=bugs),
and who had provided support, DIED.
Empathy is not a Forum, it has limitations which will not get fixed.
We inherited Empathy when we were forced to migrate from Mailman2 to Mailman3 in Mid March.
The provider was no longer supporting Mailman2. It was inevitable, but we were pushed with little
notice.
Mailman3 was not specifically supported by Nabble. It took some Nabble customisation to get it to
function.
At the time Nabble, the Forum host, was acting normally, although we had previous problems and knew
we
probably would want to migrate away from Nabble, it was very niche, and support was waning.
I tested Empathy at that time to see whether it could replace Nabble.
It had potential, but there were significant limitations, with improvements it may be better.
There was Git based issues support and the developer was responsive to change.
We did not need people to access Empathy, because the Nabble hosted Forum was THE email archive.
Then in Mid May the developer DIED, and it became obvious the company was mostly a one man band.
Dear EMWD Clients:
With great sadness we report the death of our founder and president Brian Carpenter. With this
tragedy comes questions regarding the future operations of EMWD. We want to assure you that we are
working on continuing the level of service to which you are accustomed. We are considering several
offers for the company and are hoping to have all issues resolved soon.
Thank you for your patience as we work through this transition.
On behalf of Barbara Carpenter and Brian's family, we thank you for your business.
--EMWD Customer Support
Then in early June Nabble posted on their Forum, without sending it to administrators:
The feature which allows users to post by email probably will be removed.
Then in mid June, without informing administrators, they chopped Mailing-list support, including
all customisation
implemented for Mailman3. Nabble no longer accepted emails from the Mailing-List, and Forum posts
were not sent to the List.
The Forum was effectively defunct.
We were not alone, all the screams from many Administrators, did not seem to matter.
I won't go into further details, but I sent my 'IMPORTANT!...'
https://lists.openscad.org/empathy/thread/EAAMMV6J6NW3WFRSWQ7MINOSBEYDQ6XH email. Which
included:
In the interim, I recommend you use the Mailing-list and do not post to the Forum.
Basically nobody will see your post unless they specifically go looking on the Forum.
If you are desperate to see messages via a Web page, use the Mailing-list Archive:
https://lists.openscad.org/empathy/list/discuss.lists.openscad.org
If you are also desperate to post new messages via a Web page you can also use the Archive,
but you will need to https://lists.openscad.org/register to create a password for the email address
that
you subscribed with, then you can logon to the Archive and post.
Note the editor there has limitations.
So today, we have a Mailing-list. We do not have a Forum (that gets updated).
The Empathy front-end to the Mailing-list archive, is not a Forum, it has bugs, is not ideal and
won't get fixed soon.
I don't recommend posting via Empathy, but if you make them vanilla, it sort of works, muchly.
We are considering the future, but it will not be screaming into resolution any time soon.
This is where we are at.
We will have to live within its limitations.
Your perseverance will be appreciated.
MichaelAtOz,
I used to say 'Forum Admin'
We appreciate all the feedback provided on future requirements, options and desires, we do not need
to repeat that exercise.
From: MichaelAtOz [mailto:oz.at.michael@gmail.com]
Sent: Sun, 4 Jul 2021 11:17
To: 'OpenSCAD general discussion'
Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: problems that folk have with emails
Ray, yeh, one off-thread comment & it spreads like weeds...
Terry,
The ONE person who developed "Empathy" (software), which is fairly new (=bugs),
and who had provided support, DIED.
Empathy has no support. It will not change anytime soon.
Don't report Empathy things, unless it is down or you can't logon.
IMAP has nothing to do with this.
gmail web client and I see my own posts inserted into the thread.
If I start a new thread it will just be in my sent folder but when there are replies it
becomes a single thread in my inbox. I don't think it comes from the mailing list.
Gmail does https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6588?hl=en it's own thing, it is not a
plain-old-email-forwarder. Try Gmail's All-mail.
When they say 'to save you time and prevent clutter', they mean save them megabucks.
Some.member's replies are not to you. Your replies are not to some.member.
Everything is to/from the Mailing-list.
Replies (usually - unless someone specifically does something else) come to you from the
Mailing-list.
Because when some.member of the List received an email, some.member gets it from the List.
It is configured so the Return-To path is to the List.
So some.member's reply, is to the List not to you (notionally to everyone),
the List then sends it to everyone, including you@gmail, you get it from the List.
The List is configured, by default, with:
Receive own postings: Do you want to receive a copy of every message you post to the list? YES
so it sends your own Gmail post to you@gmail, but see above.
- Replies I see from others have subjects prefixed
The Mailing-list prepends '[OpenSCAD]'. My Email client prepends 'RE: ', yours does whatever,
the Mailing-list cleans it up,
ALL Emails, including yours, in my inbox have '[OpenSCAD] Re: ' (or no 'Re:' for a new thread)
- Why is the Author of my last reply shown in my client as
'To: OpenSCAD general discussion' ?
'Author' is not an internet mail term. When you reply, you reply to the Mailing-list.
- I can send emails to myself successfully.
Yes. One more time, Gmail DOES NOT SEND YOU YOUR OWN POSTS to Mailing-lists.
NO you cannot configure your PC Agent & IOS & Gmail to get what you want.
THE FORUM is not operational for new emails ATM.
Empathy is not a Forum, it has limitations which will not get fixed.
Life sux. Sorry.
We are looking at options, including whether Nabble changes back or other options,
but for now it is what it is. Changes will not happen quickly.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sun, 4 Jul 2021 03:24
Subject: [OpenSCAD] problems that folk have with emails
Is it not possible for folk to start a new subject for the fun that they
seem to have with email clients, instead of cluttering up other threads?
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Note for everyone:
> The ONE person who developed "Empathy" (software), which is fairly new (=bugs),
> and who had provided support, DIED.
&
> Empathy is not a Forum, it has limitations which will not get fixed.
We inherited Empathy when we were forced to migrate from Mailman2 to Mailman3 in Mid March.
The provider was no longer supporting Mailman2. It was inevitable, but we were pushed with little
notice.
Mailman3 was not specifically supported by Nabble. It took some Nabble customisation to get it to
function.
At the time Nabble, the Forum host, was acting normally, although we had previous problems and knew
we
probably would want to migrate away from Nabble, it was very niche, and support was waning.
I tested Empathy at that time to see whether it could replace Nabble.
It had potential, but there were significant limitations, with improvements it may be better.
There was Git based issues support and the developer was responsive to change.
We did not need people to access Empathy, because the Nabble hosted Forum was THE email archive.
Then in Mid May the developer DIED, and it became obvious the company was mostly a one man band.
Dear EMWD Clients:
With great sadness we report the death of our founder and president Brian Carpenter. With this
tragedy comes questions regarding the future operations of EMWD. We want to assure you that we are
working on continuing the level of service to which you are accustomed. We are considering several
offers for the company and are hoping to have all issues resolved soon.
Thank you for your patience as we work through this transition.
On behalf of Barbara Carpenter and Brian's family, we thank you for your business.
--EMWD Customer Support
Then in early June Nabble posted on their Forum, without sending it to administrators:
The feature which allows users to post by email probably will be removed.
Then in mid June, without informing administrators, they chopped Mailing-list support, including
all customisation
implemented for Mailman3. Nabble no longer accepted emails from the Mailing-List, and Forum posts
were not sent to the List.
The Forum was effectively defunct.
We were not alone, all the screams from many Administrators, did not seem to matter.
I won't go into further details, but I sent my 'IMPORTANT!...'
<https://lists.openscad.org/empathy/thread/EAAMMV6J6NW3WFRSWQ7MINOSBEYDQ6XH> email. Which
included:
In the interim, I recommend you use the Mailing-list and do not post to the Forum.
Basically nobody will see your post unless they specifically go looking on the Forum.
If you are desperate to see messages via a Web page, use the Mailing-list Archive:
https://lists.openscad.org/empathy/list/discuss.lists.openscad.org
If you are also desperate to post new messages via a Web page you can also use the Archive,
but you will need to https://lists.openscad.org/register to create a password for the email address
that
you subscribed with, then you can logon to the Archive and post.
Note the editor there has limitations.
So today, we have a Mailing-list. We do not have a Forum (that gets updated).
The Empathy front-end to the Mailing-list archive, is not a Forum, it has bugs, is not ideal and
won't get fixed soon.
I don't recommend posting via Empathy, but if you make them vanilla, it sort of works, muchly.
We are considering the future, but it will not be screaming into resolution any time soon.
This is where we are at.
We will have to live within its limitations.
Your perseverance will be appreciated.
MichaelAtOz,
I used to say 'Forum Admin'
We appreciate all the feedback provided on future requirements, options and desires, we do not need
to repeat that exercise.
_____
From: MichaelAtOz [mailto:oz.at.michael@gmail.com]
Sent: Sun, 4 Jul 2021 11:17
To: 'OpenSCAD general discussion'
Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: problems that folk have with emails
Ray, yeh, one off-thread comment & it spreads like weeds...
Terry,
The ONE person who developed "Empathy" (software), which is fairly new (=bugs),
and who had provided support, DIED.
Empathy has no support. It will not change anytime soon.
Don't report Empathy things, unless it is down or you can't logon.
IMAP has nothing to do with this.
> gmail web client and I see my own posts inserted into the thread.
> If I start a new thread it will just be in my sent folder but when there are replies it
> becomes a single thread in my inbox. I don't think it comes from the mailing list.
Gmail does <https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6588?hl=en> it's own thing, it is not a
plain-old-email-forwarder. Try Gmail's All-mail.
When they say 'to save you time and prevent clutter', they mean save them megabucks.
Some.member's replies are not to you. Your replies are not to some.member.
Everything is to/from the Mailing-list.
Replies (usually - unless someone specifically does something else) come to you from the
Mailing-list.
Because when some.member of the List received an email, some.member gets it from the List.
It is configured so the Return-To path is to the List.
So some.member's reply, is to the List not to you (notionally to everyone),
the List then sends it to everyone, including you@gmail, you get it from the List.
The List is configured, by default, with:
Receive own postings: Do you want to receive a copy of every message you post to the list? YES
so it sends your own Gmail post to you@gmail, but see above.
> 1. Replies I see from others have subjects prefixed
The Mailing-list prepends '[OpenSCAD]'. My Email client prepends 'RE: ', yours does whatever,
the Mailing-list cleans it up,
ALL Emails, including yours, in my inbox have '[OpenSCAD] Re: ' (or no 'Re:' for a new thread)
> 2. Why is the Author of my last reply shown in my client as
> 'To: OpenSCAD general discussion' ?
'Author' is not an internet mail term. When you reply, you reply to the Mailing-list.
> 3. I can send emails to myself successfully.
Yes. One more time, Gmail DOES NOT SEND YOU YOUR OWN POSTS to Mailing-lists.
NO you cannot configure your PC Agent & IOS & Gmail to get what you want.
THE FORUM is not operational for new emails ATM.
Empathy is not a Forum, it has limitations which will not get fixed.
Life sux. Sorry.
We are looking at options, including whether Nabble changes back or other options,
but for now it is what it is. Changes will not happen quickly.
Michael
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ray West [mailto:raywest@raywest.com]
> Sent: Sun, 4 Jul 2021 03:24
> To: discuss@lists.openscad.org
> Subject: [OpenSCAD] problems that folk have with emails
>
> Is it not possible for folk to start a new subject for the fun that they
> seem to have with email clients, instead of cluttering up other threads?
> _______________________________________________
> OpenSCAD mailing list
> To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org
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Gareth Chen
Sun, Jul 4, 2021 8:51 AM
FWIW I've noticed that emails from this list seem to be frequently picked
up by Gmail's spam filter, and it sometimes doesn't get to my inbox at all
until a couple of people have replied (nophead in particular seems to have
been deemed trustworthy).
On Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 1:14 AM MichaelAtOz oz.at.michael@gmail.com wrote:
The ONE person who developed "Empathy" (software), which is fairly
and who had provided support, DIED.
Empathy is not a Forum, it has limitations which will not get fixed.
We inherited Empathy when we were forced to migrate from Mailman2 to
Mailman3 in Mid March.
The provider was no longer supporting Mailman2. It was inevitable, but we
were pushed with little notice.
Mailman3 was not specifically supported by Nabble. It took some Nabble
customisation to get it to function.
At the time Nabble, the Forum host, was acting normally, although we had
previous problems and knew we
probably would want to migrate away from Nabble, it was very niche, and
support was waning.
I tested Empathy at that time to see whether it could replace Nabble.
It had potential, but there were significant limitations, with
improvements it may be better.
There was Git based issues support and the developer was responsive to
change.
We did not need people to access Empathy, because the Nabble hosted Forum
was THE email archive.
Then in Mid May the developer DIED, and it became obvious the company was
mostly a one man band.
Dear EMWD Clients:
With great sadness we report the death of our founder and president Brian
Carpenter. With this tragedy comes questions regarding the future
operations of EMWD. We want to assure you that we are working on continuing
the level of service to which you are accustomed. We are considering
several offers for the company and are hoping to have all issues resolved
soon.
Thank you for your patience as we work through this transition.
On behalf of Barbara Carpenter and Brian's family, we thank you for your
business.
--EMWD Customer Support
Then in early June Nabble posted on their Forum, without sending it to
administrators:
The feature which allows users to post by email probably will be removed.
Then in mid June, without informing administrators, they chopped
Mailing-list support, including all customisation
implemented for Mailman3. Nabble no longer accepted emails from the
Mailing-List, and Forum posts were not sent to the List.
The Forum was effectively defunct.
We were not alone, all the screams from many Administrators, did not seem
to matter.
I won't go into further details, but I sent my 'IMPORTANT!...' email
https://lists.openscad.org/empathy/thread/EAAMMV6J6NW3WFRSWQ7MINOSBEYDQ6XH.
Which included:
In the interim, I recommend you use the Mailing-list and do not post to
the Forum.
Basically nobody will see your post unless they specifically go looking on
the Forum.
If you are desperate to see messages via a Web page, use the Mailing-list
Archive:
https://lists.openscad.org/empathy/list/discuss.lists.openscad.org
If you are also desperate to post new messages via a Web page you can also
use the Archive,
but you will need to https://lists.openscad.org/register to create a
password for the email address that
you subscribed with, then you can logon to the Archive and post.
Note the editor there has limitations.
So today, we have a Mailing-list. We do not have a Forum (that gets
updated).
The Empathy front-end to the Mailing-list archive, is not a Forum, it has
bugs, is not ideal and won't get fixed soon.
I don't recommend posting via Empathy, but if you make them vanilla, it
sort of works, muchly.
We are considering the future, but it will not be screaming into
resolution any time soon.
This is where we are at.
We will have to live within its limitations.
Your perseverance will be appreciated.
MichaelAtOz,
I used to say 'Forum Admin'
We appreciate all the feedback provided on future requirements, options
and desires, we do not need to repeat that exercise.
From: MichaelAtOz [mailto:oz.at.michael@gmail.com]
Sent: Sun, 4 Jul 2021 11:17
To: 'OpenSCAD general discussion'
Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: problems that folk have with emails
Ray, yeh, one off-thread comment & it spreads like weeds...
Terry,
The ONE person who developed "Empathy" (software), which is fairly new
(=bugs),
and who had provided support, DIED.
Empathy has no support. It will not change anytime soon.
Don't report Empathy things, unless it is down or you can't logon.
IMAP has nothing to do with this.
gmail web client and I see my own posts inserted into the thread.
If I start a new thread it will just be in my sent folder but when there
becomes a single thread in my inbox. I don't think it comes from the
mailing list.
Gmail does it's own thing
https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6588?hl=en, it is not a
plain-old-email-forwarder. Try Gmail's All-mail.
When they say 'to save you time and prevent clutter', they mean save them
megabucks.
Some.member's replies are not to you. Your replies are not to
some.member.
Everything is to/from the Mailing-list.
Replies (usually - unless someone specifically does something else)
come to you from the Mailing-list.
Because when some.member of the List received an email, some.member
gets it from the List.
It is configured so the Return-To path is to the List.
So some.member's reply, is to the List not to you (notionally to
everyone),
the List then sends it to everyone, including you@gmail, you get it from
the List.
The List is configured, by default, with:
Receive own postings: Do you want to receive a copy of every message you
post to the list? YES
so it sends your own Gmail post to you@gmail, but see above.
- Replies I see from others have subjects prefixed
The Mailing-list prepends '[OpenSCAD]'. My Email client prepends 'RE: ',
yours does whatever,
the Mailing-list cleans it up,
ALL Emails, including yours, in my inbox have '[OpenSCAD] Re: ' (or no
'Re:' for a new thread)
- Why is the Author of my last reply shown in my client as
'To: OpenSCAD general discussion' ?
'Author' is not an internet mail term. When you reply, you reply to the
Mailing-list.
- I can send emails to myself successfully.
Yes. One more time, Gmail DOES NOT SEND YOU YOUR OWN POSTS to
Mailing-lists.
NO you cannot configure your PC Agent & IOS & Gmail to get what you want.
THE FORUM is not operational for new emails ATM.
Empathy is not a Forum, it has limitations which will not get fixed.
Life sux. Sorry.
We are looking at options, including whether Nabble changes back or other
options,
but for now it is what it is. Changes will not happen quickly.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sun, 4 Jul 2021 03:24
Subject: [OpenSCAD] problems that folk have with emails
Is it not possible for folk to start a new subject for the fun that they
seem to have with email clients, instead of cluttering up other threads?
FWIW I've noticed that emails from this list seem to be frequently picked
up by Gmail's spam filter, and it sometimes doesn't get to my inbox at all
until a couple of people have replied (nophead in particular seems to have
been deemed trustworthy).
On Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 1:14 AM MichaelAtOz <oz.at.michael@gmail.com> wrote:
> Note for everyone:
>
>
>
> > The *ONE* person who developed "Empathy" (software), which is fairly
> new (=bugs),
>
> > and who had provided support, *DIED*.
>
> &
>
> > Empathy is not a Forum, it has limitations which will not get fixed.
>
>
>
> We inherited Empathy when we were forced to migrate from Mailman2 to
> Mailman3 in Mid March.
>
> The provider was no longer supporting Mailman2. It was inevitable, but we
> were pushed with little notice.
>
>
>
> Mailman3 was not specifically supported by Nabble. It took some Nabble
> customisation to get it to function.
>
>
>
> At the time Nabble, the Forum host, was acting normally, although we had
> previous problems and knew we
>
> probably would want to migrate away from Nabble, it was very niche, and
> support was waning.
>
>
>
> I tested Empathy at that time to see whether it could replace Nabble.
>
> It had potential, but there were significant limitations, with
> improvements it may be better.
>
> There was Git based issues support and the developer was responsive to
> change.
>
>
>
> We did not need people to access Empathy, because the Nabble hosted Forum
> was THE email archive.
>
>
>
> Then in Mid May the developer DIED, and it became obvious the company was
> mostly a one man band.
>
> Dear EMWD Clients:
>
> With great sadness we report the death of our founder and president Brian
> Carpenter. With this tragedy comes questions regarding the future
> operations of EMWD. We want to assure you that we are working on continuing
> the level of service to which you are accustomed. We are considering
> several offers for the company and are hoping to have all issues resolved
> soon.
>
> Thank you for your patience as we work through this transition.
>
> On behalf of Barbara Carpenter and Brian's family, we thank you for your
> business.
>
> --EMWD Customer Support
>
> Then in early June Nabble posted on their Forum, without sending it to
> administrators:
>
>
>
> The feature which allows users to post by email probably will be removed.
>
>
>
> Then in mid June, without informing administrators, they chopped
> Mailing-list support, including all customisation
>
> implemented for Mailman3. Nabble no longer accepted emails from the
> Mailing-List, and Forum posts were not sent to the List.
>
> The Forum was effectively defunct.
>
>
>
> We were not alone, all the screams from many Administrators, did not seem
> to matter.
>
>
>
> I won't go into further details, but I sent my 'IMPORTANT!...' email
> <https://lists.openscad.org/empathy/thread/EAAMMV6J6NW3WFRSWQ7MINOSBEYDQ6XH>.
> Which included:
>
>
>
> In the interim, I recommend you use the Mailing-list and do not post to
> the Forum.
>
> Basically nobody will see your post unless they specifically go looking on
> the Forum.
>
>
>
> If you are desperate to see messages via a Web page, use the Mailing-list
> Archive:
>
> https://lists.openscad.org/empathy/list/discuss.lists.openscad.org
>
>
>
> If you are also desperate to post new messages via a Web page you can also
> use the Archive,
>
> but you will need to https://lists.openscad.org/register to create a
> password for the email address that
>
> you subscribed with, then you can logon to the Archive and post.
>
> Note the editor there has limitations.
>
>
>
> So today, we have a Mailing-list. We do not have a Forum (that gets
> updated).
>
> The Empathy front-end to the Mailing-list archive, is not a Forum, it has
> bugs, is not ideal and won't get fixed soon.
>
> I don't recommend posting via Empathy, but if you make them vanilla, it
> sort of works, muchly.
>
>
>
> We are considering the future, but it will not be screaming into
> resolution any time soon.
>
>
>
> This is where we are at.
>
> We will have to live within its limitations.
>
> Your perseverance will be appreciated.
>
>
>
>
>
> MichaelAtOz,
>
> I used to say 'Forum Admin'
>
>
>
> We appreciate all the feedback provided on future requirements, options
> and desires, we do not need to repeat that exercise.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* MichaelAtOz [mailto:oz.at.michael@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Sun, 4 Jul 2021 11:17
> *To:* 'OpenSCAD general discussion'
> *Subject:* [OpenSCAD] Re: problems that folk have with emails
>
>
>
> Ray, yeh, one off-thread comment & it spreads like weeds...
>
>
>
> Terry,
>
>
>
> The *ONE* person who developed "Empathy" (software), which is fairly new
> (=bugs),
>
> and who had provided support, *DIED*.
>
>
>
> Empathy has no support. It will not change anytime soon.
>
> Don't report Empathy things, unless it is down or you can't logon.
>
>
>
> IMAP has nothing to do with this.
>
>
>
> > gmail web client and I see my own posts inserted into the thread.
>
> > If I start a new thread it will just be in my sent folder but when there
> are replies it
>
> > becomes a single thread in my inbox. I don't think it comes from the
> mailing list.
>
>
>
> Gmail does it's own thing
> <https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6588?hl=en>, it is not a
> plain-old-email-forwarder. Try Gmail's All-mail.
>
> When they say 'to save you time and prevent clutter', they mean save them
> megabucks.
>
>
>
> Some.member's replies are *not to you*. Your replies are *not to*
> some.member.
>
> Everything is *to/from* the Mailing-list.
>
>
>
> Replies (*usually - unless someone specifically does something else*)
> come *to you* *from the Mailing-list*.
>
> Because when some.member of the List *received an email*, some.member
> gets it *from the List*.
>
> It is configured so the Return-To path is *to the List*.
>
> So some.member's reply, is *to the List* *not to you (notionally to
> everyone)*,
>
> the List then sends it to everyone, including you@gmail, you get it *from
> the List*.
>
>
>
> The List is configured, by default, with:
>
> Receive own postings: Do you want to receive a copy of every message you
> post to the list? YES
>
> so it sends your own Gmail post to you@gmail, but see above.
>
>
>
>
>
> > 1. Replies I see from others have subjects prefixed
>
>
>
> The Mailing-list prepends '[OpenSCAD]'. My Email client prepends 'RE: ',
> yours does whatever,
>
> the Mailing-list cleans it up,
>
> ALL Emails, including yours, in my inbox have '[OpenSCAD] Re: ' (or no
> 'Re:' for a new thread)
>
>
>
> > 2. Why is the Author of my last reply shown in my client as
>
> > 'To: OpenSCAD general discussion' ?
>
>
>
> 'Author' is not an internet mail term. When you reply, you reply *to* the
> Mailing-list.
>
>
>
> > 3. I can send emails to myself successfully.
>
>
>
> Yes. One more time, Gmail DOES NOT SEND YOU YOUR OWN *POSTS* *to
> Mailing-lists*.
>
>
>
> NO you cannot configure your PC Agent & IOS & Gmail to get what you want.
>
> THE FORUM is not operational for new emails ATM.
>
> Empathy is not a Forum, it has limitations which will not get fixed.
>
>
>
> Life sux. Sorry.
>
>
>
> We are looking at options, including whether Nabble changes back or other
> options,
>
> but for now it is what it is. Changes will not happen quickly.
>
>
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
>
> > From: Ray West [mailto:raywest@raywest.com]
>
> > Sent: Sun, 4 Jul 2021 03:24
>
> > To: discuss@lists.openscad.org
>
> > Subject: [OpenSCAD] problems that folk have with emails
>
> >
>
> > Is it not possible for folk to start a new subject for the fun that they
>
> > seem to have with email clients, instead of cluttering up other threads?
>
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disruptivesolutionsnl@gmail.com
Sun, Jul 4, 2021 9:27 AM
https://pasteboard.co/K9AE8AS.png
https://pasteboard.co/K9AEnGF.png
With letter:
https://pasteboard.co/K9AEEJK.png
a and b have tob e parameterized and c is the "extrude" going from say
larger a and b values to smaller?
I hope this clears more up from?
I now did it like:
[code]
poly_n = 8;
gripin_w = 32.0;
gripin_h = 28.0;
grip_ob = 19.0;
grip_lr = 16.0;
l_mid = 138.0;
l_back = 30.0;
r_factor = 1.25;
dikte = 2.0; //deelt door 2 in uiteindelijke model!
rotate([90,90,180])
{
translate([0,0,-1*(l_mid/2)])
rotate([180,0,0])
{
difference(){
baseHandle();
baseHandleCut();
}
}
}
module gripInHandle(wid,height){
hull(){
cube([grip_lr,gripin_w,l_back],center = true);
cube([gripin_h,grip_ob,l_back],center = true);
}
}
module gripOutHandle(wid,height){
hull(){
cube([grip_lr, gripin_w + dikte,l_back],center = true);
cube([gripin_h + dikte,grip_ob,l_back],center = true);
}
}
module baseHandle()
{
linear_extrude(height=l_back, scale=[r_factor,r_factor], slices=1,
twist=0)
projection() gripOutHandle();
}
module baseHandleCut()
{
linear_extrude(height=l_back, scale=[r_factor,r_factor], slices=1,
twist=0)
projection() gripInHandle();
}
[/code]
Ben
Van: Ray West raywest@raywest.com
Verzonden: zaterdag 3 juli 2021 12:09
Aan: discuss@lists.openscad.org
Onderwerp: [OpenSCAD] Re: New and a question
Sorry, not a clear enough description. Is it a simple or complex polygon, is
concave acceptable? How will you refer to the specific corners? How will you
ensure that all the angles are valid, or are you just changing one or two,
and hoping the rest will sort themselves out, and whatever the result is, it
doesn't matter?. Any 7 random x,y coordinates can generate an 8 sided
polygon. What have you tried? Is a Mk 1 eyeball good enough, or are you
looking for precision, involving doing some sums?
https://www.mathsisfun.com/geometry/octagon.html
On 02/07/2021 15:26, disruptivesolutionsnl@gmail.com
mailto:disruptivesolutionsnl@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
I am new to his forum/mailing list, so thank you for having me!
I want to make an octagonal shape (8 sides) where I could change the angle
of each corner, so the lengths of the "lines" between them is not
equivalent. How could I do this?
I hope my question is clear enough without presenting an example picture.
With kind regards,
Ben
OpenSCAD mailing list
To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org
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https://pasteboard.co/K9AE8AS.png
https://pasteboard.co/K9AEnGF.png
With letter:
https://pasteboard.co/K9AEEJK.png
a and b have tob e parameterized and c is the "extrude" going from say
larger a and b values to smaller?
I hope this clears more up from?
I now did it like:
[code]
poly_n = 8;
gripin_w = 32.0;
gripin_h = 28.0;
grip_ob = 19.0;
grip_lr = 16.0;
l_mid = 138.0;
l_back = 30.0;
r_factor = 1.25;
dikte = 2.0; //deelt door 2 in uiteindelijke model!
rotate([90,90,180])
{
translate([0,0,-1*(l_mid/2)])
rotate([180,0,0])
{
difference(){
baseHandle();
baseHandleCut();
}
}
}
module gripInHandle(wid,height){
hull(){
cube([grip_lr,gripin_w,l_back],center = true);
cube([gripin_h,grip_ob,l_back],center = true);
}
}
module gripOutHandle(wid,height){
hull(){
cube([grip_lr, gripin_w + dikte,l_back],center = true);
cube([gripin_h + dikte,grip_ob,l_back],center = true);
}
}
module baseHandle()
{
linear_extrude(height=l_back, scale=[r_factor,r_factor], slices=1,
twist=0)
projection() gripOutHandle();
}
module baseHandleCut()
{
linear_extrude(height=l_back, scale=[r_factor,r_factor], slices=1,
twist=0)
projection() gripInHandle();
}
[/code]
Ben
Van: Ray West <raywest@raywest.com>
Verzonden: zaterdag 3 juli 2021 12:09
Aan: discuss@lists.openscad.org
Onderwerp: [OpenSCAD] Re: New and a question
Sorry, not a clear enough description. Is it a simple or complex polygon, is
concave acceptable? How will you refer to the specific corners? How will you
ensure that all the angles are valid, or are you just changing one or two,
and hoping the rest will sort themselves out, and whatever the result is, it
doesn't matter?. Any 7 random x,y coordinates can generate an 8 sided
polygon. What have you tried? Is a Mk 1 eyeball good enough, or are you
looking for precision, involving doing some sums?
https://www.mathsisfun.com/geometry/octagon.html
On 02/07/2021 15:26, disruptivesolutionsnl@gmail.com
<mailto:disruptivesolutionsnl@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
I am new to his forum/mailing list, so thank you for having me!
I want to make an octagonal shape (8 sides) where I could change the angle
of each corner, so the lengths of the "lines" between them is not
equivalent. How could I do this?
I hope my question is clear enough without presenting an example picture.
With kind regards,
Ben
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