Forum alternative
In no forum I ever had been subscribed I (as absolute OpenScad and 3D newcomer) received so fast and direct Support as in this mailinglist......
thats the Benefit... and this is huge!!
BR
Karl
Am 30. Juni 2021 07:37:58 MESZ schrieb Gareth Chen garethenator@gmail.com:
Forums, in general, are terrible for the actual software developers
to
use, as it is almost impossible to follow everything. It's always
been my
biggest problem with forums, you have to actively read everything,
instead
of just reading the messages as they appear...
There is clearly a huge niche waiting to be filled that would somehow
supply the functionality of both a mailing list and a forum, but in a
great
many years I haven't seen it. Usenet was close, but it is no longer
that....
I can see how it can be easier to track everything that's going on in a
mailing list, but ideally the developers shouldn't need to be tracking
absolutely everything that's being discussed, because that doesn't
scale.
If the community grows, most people's questions will just be about how
to
use OpenSCAD, and it doesn't seem like developers would need to read
every
single one of those. If there are bugs those can be escalated to a
different subforum or filed as a GitHub issue.
I don't use the archive. If it is buggy, it needs to be fixed.
The archive is now the only point of entry for folks who weren't
subscribed
to the list beforehand, so this is a huge issue IMO. It's also not
discoverable at all, though that's also an issue of the Nabble forum
being
the old entry point.
Another (IMHO larger) issue is that newcomers, used to forums,
apparently can't be bothered to properly do trim-inline replies. That
is
to leave enough of the message, they are replying to, as quoted
context,
then adding their comment(s) below. Then trim all obsolete stuff.
Done
right I don't even have to follow a thread. I can jump right into a
message and know exactly what that person is talking about and
replying to.
I don't even think about quoted replies in emails because my client
(Gmail)
hides them from me automatically. We can debate whether that's good or
not,
but the fact of the matter is that's how mail clients have handled
quoted
replies for almost 20 years, and it seems unlikely to change, no matter
how
passive-aggressive you are about it. In this thread it looks like only
about half the participants have bothered to modify the quoting style,
even
people who have always used the mailing list as their primary mode of
interaction.
This is the way we have done it successfully for about 25 years now on
the PostgreSQL mailing lists, and there is no way we are going to
replace it with twitter style top replies any time soon.
I sense that you're using "twitter style" as a pejorative shorthand for
"frivolous modern web design", but top-posting has been a client
default
for over 20 years at this point, and even Twitter is over 15 years old.
Maybe strict email style can be enforced in smaller developer-focused
communities, but it's not going to happen in a setting where normal
users
are coming to ask for help.
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Gentlemen!
Following your recommendations I installed now "NopScadLib".
Also I downloaded the newest OpenScad-App-Image.
But, as I'm not an experienced programmer I have my troubles with all
the "RUN" and "INCLUDE" commands. I can not come forward.
Could anyone could please send me some lines of code which I can copy
and paste into OpenScad Editor and which draw a simple M8 screw?... or
only the thread.. ?
If I could have this I'm quite sure to can do my next steps alone.
many many thanks
Karl
Here is a simple example:
$show_threads = true;
include <NopSCADlib/lib.scad>
screw = M8_hex_screw;
nut = screw_nut(screw);
screw(screw, 40);
translate_z(-30)
nut(nut);
[image: image.png]
Not sure what you mean about RUN commands. You need Python installed to run
any of the scripts that produce BOMs, assembly instructions, etc.
On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 at 08:42, Karl Exler karl.exler@meinklang.cc wrote:
Gentlemen!
Following your recommendations I installed now "NopScadLib".
Also I downloaded the newest OpenScad-App-Image.
But, as I'm not an experienced programmer I have my troubles with all
the "RUN" and "INCLUDE" commands. I can not come forward.
Could anyone could please send me some lines of code which I can copy
and paste into OpenScad Editor and which draw a simple M8 screw?... or
only the thread.. ?
If I could have this I'm quite sure to can do my next steps alone.
many many thanks
Karl
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Hi Karl,
There is a good explanation, linked from 'the cheat sheet' wrt include
files.https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/OpenSCAD_User_Manual/Include_Statement
Be aware of the /'s or 's, and having the libraries either in the
designated folder, or a more fully specify the path.
On 30/06/2021 08:42, Karl Exler wrote:
Gentlemen!
Following your recommendations I installed now "NopScadLib".
Also I downloaded the newest OpenScad-App-Image.
But, as I'm not an experienced programmer I have my troubles with all
the "RUN" and "INCLUDE" commands. I can not come forward.
Could anyone could please send me some lines of code which I can copy
and paste into OpenScad Editor and which draw a simple M8 screw?... or
only the thread.. ?
If I could have this I'm quite sure to can do my next steps alone.
many many thanks
Karl
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So much to say here, but to just pick one item:
"I don't even think about quoted replies in emails because my client
(Gmail) hides them from me automatically. We can debate whether that's
good or not, but the fact of the matter is that's how mail clients have
handled quoted replies for almost 20 years, and it seems unlikely to
change, no matter how passive-aggressive you are about it. In this
thread it looks like only about half the participants have bothered to
modify the quoting style, even people who have always used the mailing
list as their primary mode of interaction."
I do not use gMail for many reasons, and know nothing about it's
specific quirks. If your email service does something that you do not
like, complain or pick another email service. Darwin should function,
at least at some level, unless Google's grip on the masses is beyond
alteration. I have no intention of allowing Google's design decisions
run my life. I have my own email server and avoid Google, gMail, and
Twitter. If you want to stick with them (and fora), fine, but some of
us have chosen a different path, and have no intention of wavering
Jon
On 6/30/2021 1:37 AM, Gareth Chen wrote:
Forums, in general, are terrible for the actual software
developers to use, as it is almost impossible to follow
everything. It's always been my biggest problem with forums, you
have to actively read everything, instead of just reading the
messages as they appear...
There is clearly a huge niche waiting to be filled that would
somehow supply the functionality of both a mailing list and a
forum, but in a great many years I haven't seen it. Usenet was
close, but it is no longer that....
I can see how it can be easier to track everything that's going on in
a mailing list, but ideally the developers shouldn't need to be
tracking absolutely everything that's being discussed, because that
doesn't scale. If the community grows, most people's questions will
just be about how to use OpenSCAD, and it doesn't seem like developers
would need to read every single one of those. If there are bugs those
can be escalated to a different subforum or filed as a GitHub issue.
I don't use the archive. If it is buggy, it needs to be fixed.
The archive is now the only point of entry for folks who weren't
subscribed to the list beforehand, so this is a huge issue IMO. It's
also not discoverable at all, though that's also an issue of the
Nabble forum being the old entry point.
Another (IMHO larger) issue is that newcomers, used to forums,
apparently can't be bothered to properly do trim-inline replies.
That is
to leave enough of the message, they are replying to, as quoted
context,
then adding their comment(s) below. Then trim all obsolete stuff. Done
right I don't even have to follow a thread. I can jump right into a
message and know exactly what that person is talking about and
replying to.
I don't even think about quoted replies in emails because my client
(Gmail) hides them from me automatically. We can debate whether that's
good or not, but the fact of the matter is that's how mail clients
have handled quoted replies for almost 20 years, and it seems unlikely
to change, no matter how passive-aggressive you are about it. In this
thread it looks like only about half the participants have bothered to
modify the quoting style, even people who have always used the mailing
list as their primary mode of interaction.
This is the way we have done it successfully for about 25 years now on
the PostgreSQL mailing lists, and there is no way we are going to
replace it with twitter style top replies any time soon.
I sense that you're using "twitter style" as a pejorative shorthand
for "frivolous modern web design", but top-posting has been a client
default for over 20 years at this point, and even Twitter is over 15
years old. Maybe strict email style can be enforced in smaller
developer-focused communities, but it's not going to happen in a
setting where normal users are coming to ask for help.
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Jon, all of your emails have the exact same top-posting quoting style that
Jan was complaining about (and which I was referencing in my last email). I
was not personally complaining about it, but merely noting that it's an
extremely common pattern that I don't think can be policed out of this
mailing list.
Gareth:
Thank you for explaining!
Jon
On 6/30/2021 7:51 AM, Gareth Chen wrote:
Jon, all of your emails have the exact same top-posting quoting style
that Jan was complaining about (and which I was referencing in my last
email). I was not personally complaining about it, but merely noting
that it's an extremely common pattern that I don't think can be
policed out of this mailing list.
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This debate could be interesting to some. But it is not really helpful.
Please stop counter posting opinions.
It is clear that there is a range of opinions.
Save a few watts and penguins. Don't reply.
From: Gareth Chen [mailto:garethenator@gmail.com]
Sent: Wed, 30 Jun 2021 21:51
To: OpenSCAD general discussion
Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: Forum alternative
Jon, all of your emails have the exact same top-posting quoting style that Jan was complaining about (and which I was referencing in my last email). I was not personally complaining about it, but merely noting that it's an extremely common pattern that I don't think can be policed out of this mailing list.
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On Wednesday 30 June 2021 02:30:14 karl.exler@meinklang.cc wrote:
In no forum I ever had been subscribed I (as absolute OpenScad and 3D
newcomer) received so fast and direct Support as in this
mailinglist...... thats the Benefit... and this is huge!!
BR
Karl
I'll 2nd, 3rd and 4th that, this list is amazing, even if your question
is a bit, or way off-topic.
So I'll ask an off-topic question since I have searched the web and have
not found a mailing list for 3d printer users. Does such a thing exist?
I ask because an idea I have, to be successful, needs a plastic with more
flexibility than generic PLA. With a 1mm eliptical flexing of a 40mm
diameter belt, running life is 2 minutes, so I need a recommendation for
a plastic for an FDM printer that can tolerate that level of flexing.
There seems to be a huge gap, tpu being many times too flexible, and the
rest of the plastics as being too hard and brittle. Nylon sounds good,
until you actually try to use it. So what should I buy next?
Thank you all.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
- Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene
Polypropylene is the only semi rigid plastic that can be flexed forever
that I know of. It can be used to make living hinges like tik tak lids
and it can be 3D printed, but I think a harmonic drive spline needs to be
made from spring steel.
On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 at 13:18, Gene Heskett gheskett@shentel.net wrote:
On Wednesday 30 June 2021 02:30:14 karl.exler@meinklang.cc wrote:
In no forum I ever had been subscribed I (as absolute OpenScad and 3D
newcomer) received so fast and direct Support as in this
mailinglist...... thats the Benefit... and this is huge!!
BR
Karl
I'll 2nd, 3rd and 4th that, this list is amazing, even if your question
is a bit, or way off-topic.
So I'll ask an off-topic question since I have searched the web and have
not found a mailing list for 3d printer users. Does such a thing exist?
I ask because an idea I have, to be successful, needs a plastic with more
flexibility than generic PLA. With a 1mm eliptical flexing of a 40mm
diameter belt, running life is 2 minutes, so I need a recommendation for
a plastic for an FDM printer that can tolerate that level of flexing.
There seems to be a huge gap, tpu being many times too flexible, and the
rest of the plastics as being too hard and brittle. Nylon sounds good,
until you actually try to use it. So what should I buy next?
Thank you all.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
- Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene
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