Forum alternative
Gene, (and everyone)
When you have a new topic, please start a new thread,
by creating a new email to discuss@lists.openscad.org with a new subject.
Replying to an existing topic and changing the subject, causes some of the
problems people have mentioned, "does not consolidates threads under a single subject.
Nor does it assign posts to the correct subject".
The Nabble Forum, as a real Forum, was better in that regard.
What we have with Empathy, is a Mailing-list Archive, it has flaws,
but it is what we have at the moment.
So if people can assist buy not recycling emails, but create a new one, it will help.
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Heskett [mailto:gheskett@shentel.net]
Sent: Wed, 30 Jun 2021 22:19
Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: Forum alternative
On Wednesday 30 June 2021 02:30:14 karl.exler@meinklang.cc wrote:
In no forum I ever had been subscribed I (as absolute OpenScad and 3D
newcomer) received so fast and direct Support as in this
mailinglist...... thats the Benefit... and this is huge!!
BR
Karl
I'll 2nd, 3rd and 4th that, this list is amazing, even if your question
is a bit, or way off-topic.
So I'll ask an off-topic question since I have searched the web and have
not found a mailing list for 3d printer users. Does such a thing exist?
I ask because an idea I have, to be successful, needs a plastic with more
flexibility than generic PLA. With a 1mm eliptical flexing of a 40mm
diameter belt, running life is 2 minutes, so I need a recommendation for
a plastic for an FDM printer that can tolerate that level of flexing.
There seems to be a huge gap, tpu being many times too flexible, and the
rest of the plastics as being too hard and brittle. Nylon sounds good,
until you actually try to use it. So what should I buy next?
Thank you all.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
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On Wednesday 30 June 2021 08:24:24 nop head wrote:
Polypropylene is the only semi rigid plastic that can be flexed
forever that I know of. It can be used to make living hinges like tik
tak lids and it can be 3D printed, but I think a harmonic drive spline
needs to be made from spring steel.
Isn't TPU another name for that?
I have a couple rolls of that, but it folds up and jams way too easily.
And coming in contact with itself, needs a lubricant that has not been
invented yet.
It also doesn't feed thru a bowden tube, way too "sticky". BTDT.
Thanks nop head.
[...]
So I'll ask an off-topic question since I have searched the web and
have not found a mailing list for 3d printer users. Does such a
thing exist?
I ask because an idea I have, to be successful, needs a plastic with
more flexibility than generic PLA. With a 1mm eliptical flexing of a
40mm diameter belt, running life is 2 minutes, so I need a
recommendation for a plastic for an FDM printer that can tolerate
that level of flexing. There seems to be a huge gap, tpu being many
times too flexible, and the rest of the plastics as being too hard
and brittle. Nylon sounds good, until you actually try to use it. So
what should I buy next?
Cheers, Gene Heskett
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
- Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene
Michael:
I agree with what you said, but would like to point out that there is a
forcing function at work here. Let's suppose that someone comes out in
support of Feature A in OpenSCAD, while I am concerned that this will
cause problems (backwards compatibility, performance, whatever). If I
am silent, there is some chance that the public support for Feature A
will prevail. So, raising my voice (which I do rarely) seems necessary
to me in the moment.
In the case of the forum/email debate, which is not a new one, perhaps
if Those In Charge could quickly explain that this is a well worn path
with no clearly supported feature set or implementation tool set, then
the need for response would be reduced.
Thanks for listening.
Jon
On 6/30/2021 8:17 AM, MichaelAtOz wrote:
This debate could be interesting to some. But it is not really helpful.
Please stop counter posting opinions.
It is clear that there is a range of opinions.
Save a few watts and penguins. Don't reply.
On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 9:57 AM jon jon@jonbondy.com wrote:
Michael:
I agree with what you said, but would like to point out that there is a
forcing function at work here. Let's suppose that someone comes out in
support of Feature A in OpenSCAD, while I am concerned that this will cause
problems (backwards compatibility, performance, whatever). If I am silent,
there is some chance that the public support for Feature A will prevail.
So, raising my voice (which I do rarely) seems necessary to me in the
moment.
Indeed, this is why I always find myself compelled to respond to these. I
have lost mailing list to forums before, and don't want to have it happen
again...
Something weird is going on with the mailing list now. I saw the answer to
William's question long before the question. I went looking for it in my
spam folder and couldn't find it. Went to bed and it arrived in the night.
It is getting hard to follow conversations here now.
On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 at 17:36, A. Craig West acraigwest@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 9:57 AM jon jon@jonbondy.com wrote:
Michael:
I agree with what you said, but would like to point out that there is a
forcing function at work here. Let's suppose that someone comes out in
support of Feature A in OpenSCAD, while I am concerned that this will cause
problems (backwards compatibility, performance, whatever). If I am silent,
there is some chance that the public support for Feature A will prevail.
So, raising my voice (which I do rarely) seems necessary to me in the
moment.
Indeed, this is why I always find myself compelled to respond to these. I
have lost mailing list to forums before, and don't want to have it happen
again...
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On 06/07/2021 08:51, nop head wrote:
Something weird is going on with the mailing list now. I saw the
answer to William's question long before the question. I went looking
for it in my spam folder and couldn't find it. Went to bed and it
arrived in the night. It is getting hard to follow conversations here now.
I think it is not just a list problem. For example, a friend of mine, if
he uses hotmail, it often takes over a day to reach me, whereas some
other address he uses gets here instantly. I think some of the catch-
all sites, - hotmail, yahoo, aol, gmail, and so on are used by the
scammers, and some isp's attempt to check for that by returning the
email and waiting for it to be resent. As these larger sites have more
than one server, then if it is resent on a different server, the
recipient sends it back again, until two servers match or something like
that, iirc. Also, I guess others, like me, use mail forwarding, which
these days is being deprecated, in favour of large corporation control,
so that can cause delays in some instances.
fwiw, I've not found any real problems with this mailing list, but I
never used the forum, so I'm not comparing it's use with that. I much
prefer a mailing list, it gives a false sense of privacy, I guess, and I
can save everything locally, for future reference. It is also simple to
use, and does not change it's appearance/structure every few years, and
you get fewer kids popping in, just to get an answer to a homework question.
I think some of the catch-
all sites, - hotmail, yahoo, aol, gmail, and so on
Those (not gmail as such*) are sites which have enforced DMARC.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMARC
The problem is many Mailing-list implementation need to impersonate the originator of emails. This conflicts with DMARC.
To implement authentication for our Mailing-list is difficult when using external service providers.(technical issues with the size of DNS fields)
*Gmail seems to use an algorithm to determine whether emails from such enforcing domains,
which would otherwise pass (when not enforced) are OK.
I believe this is reputation based.
But I can't second guess its AI.
Hence those source emails can be delayed. It is more complex than that.
But at a high level, if you use those old traditional free-mails,
often used by spammers in the past, it will have side effects with gmail.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ray West [mailto:raywest@raywest.com]
Sent: Tue, 6 Jul 2021 21:52
To: discuss@lists.openscad.org
Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: Forum alternative
On 06/07/2021 08:51, nop head wrote:
Something weird is going on with the mailing list now. I saw the
answer to William's question long before the question. I went looking
for it in my spam folder and couldn't find it. Went to bed and it
arrived in the night. It is getting hard to follow conversations here now.
I think it is not just a list problem. For example, a friend of mine, if
he uses hotmail, it often takes over a day to reach me, whereas some
other address he uses gets here instantly. I think some of the catch-
all sites, - hotmail, yahoo, aol, gmail, and so on are used by the
scammers, and some isp's attempt to check for that by returning the
email and waiting for it to be resent. As these larger sites have more
than one server, then if it is resent on a different server, the
recipient sends it back again, until two servers match or something like
that, iirc. Also, I guess others, like me, use mail forwarding, which
these days is being deprecated, in favour of large corporation control,
so that can cause delays in some instances.
fwiw, I've not found any real problems with this mailing list, but I
never used the forum, so I'm not comparing it's use with that. I much
prefer a mailing list, it gives a false sense of privacy, I guess, and I
can save everything locally, for future reference. It is also simple to
use, and does not change it's appearance/structure every few years, and
you get fewer kids popping in, just to get an answer to a homework question.
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