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NH
nop head
Tue, Jun 29, 2021 8:23 PM

Yes that it in the requirements
https://github.com/nophead/NopSCADlib/blob/master/docs/usage.md

On Tue, 29 Jun 2021 at 21:14, Jordan Brown openscad@jordan.maileater.net
wrote:

On 6/29/2021 1:07 PM, Karl Exler wrote:

ERROR: Parser error in file
"/home/karl/.local/share/SCAD/libraries/NopSCADlib/utils/maths.scad", line
160: syntax error

That line makes use of a recently added feature.  Make sure you're on
2021.01.


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Yes that it in the requirements https://github.com/nophead/NopSCADlib/blob/master/docs/usage.md On Tue, 29 Jun 2021 at 21:14, Jordan Brown <openscad@jordan.maileater.net> wrote: > On 6/29/2021 1:07 PM, Karl Exler wrote: > > ERROR: Parser error in file > "/home/karl/.local/share/SCAD/libraries/NopSCADlib/utils/maths.scad", line > 160: syntax error > > > That line makes use of a recently added feature. Make sure you're on > 2021.01. > _______________________________________________ > OpenSCAD mailing list > To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org >
KE
Karl Exler
Tue, Jun 29, 2021 8:26 PM

I am running
System:    Host: Ungarn-Bolide Kernel: 5.4.0-74-generic x86_64 bits: 64
compiler: gcc v: 7.5.0
           Desktop: Cinnamon 4.4.8 wm: muffin dm: LightDM Distro: Linux
Mint 19.3 Tricia
           base: Ubuntu 18.04 bionic

and they only a very old version via their repository service. How can I
install the newest version, you recommended?

thanks
Karl

Am 29.06.21 um 22:13 schrieb Jordan Brown:

On 6/29/2021 1:07 PM, Karl Exler wrote:

ERROR: Parser error in file
"/home/karl/.local/share/SCAD/libraries/NopSCADlib/utils/maths.scad",
line 160: syntax error

That line makes use of a recently added feature.  Make sure you're on
2021.01.


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I am running System:    Host: Ungarn-Bolide Kernel: 5.4.0-74-generic x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 7.5.0            Desktop: Cinnamon 4.4.8 wm: muffin dm: LightDM Distro: Linux Mint 19.3 Tricia            base: Ubuntu 18.04 bionic and they only a very old version via their repository service. How can I install the newest version, you recommended? thanks Karl Am 29.06.21 um 22:13 schrieb Jordan Brown: > On 6/29/2021 1:07 PM, Karl Exler wrote: >> ERROR: Parser error in file >> "/home/karl/.local/share/SCAD/libraries/NopSCADlib/utils/maths.scad", >> line 160: syntax error >> > > That line makes use of a recently added feature.  Make sure you're on > 2021.01. > > _______________________________________________ > OpenSCAD mailing list > To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org
NH
nop head
Tue, Jun 29, 2021 8:34 PM

Follow the link to the downloads page and go to the section "Other Linux".
I have used the App Image version on Ubuntu in the past.

On Tue, 29 Jun 2021 at 21:26, Karl Exler karl.exler@meinklang.cc wrote:

I am running
System:    Host: Ungarn-Bolide Kernel: 5.4.0-74-generic x86_64 bits: 64
compiler: gcc v: 7.5.0
Desktop: Cinnamon 4.4.8 wm: muffin dm: LightDM Distro: Linux
Mint 19.3 Tricia
base: Ubuntu 18.04 bionic

and they only a very old version via their repository service. How can I
install the newest version, you recommended?

thanks
Karl
Am 29.06.21 um 22:13 schrieb Jordan Brown:

On 6/29/2021 1:07 PM, Karl Exler wrote:

ERROR: Parser error in file
"/home/karl/.local/share/SCAD/libraries/NopSCADlib/utils/maths.scad", line
160: syntax error

That line makes use of a recently added feature.  Make sure you're on
2021.01.


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Follow the link to the downloads page and go to the section "Other Linux". I have used the App Image version on Ubuntu in the past. On Tue, 29 Jun 2021 at 21:26, Karl Exler <karl.exler@meinklang.cc> wrote: > I am running > System: Host: Ungarn-Bolide Kernel: 5.4.0-74-generic x86_64 bits: 64 > compiler: gcc v: 7.5.0 > Desktop: Cinnamon 4.4.8 wm: muffin dm: LightDM Distro: Linux > Mint 19.3 Tricia > base: Ubuntu 18.04 bionic > > and they only a very old version via their repository service. How can I > install the newest version, you recommended? > > thanks > Karl > Am 29.06.21 um 22:13 schrieb Jordan Brown: > > On 6/29/2021 1:07 PM, Karl Exler wrote: > > ERROR: Parser error in file > "/home/karl/.local/share/SCAD/libraries/NopSCADlib/utils/maths.scad", line > 160: syntax error > > > That line makes use of a recently added feature. Make sure you're on > 2021.01. > > _______________________________________________ > OpenSCAD mailing list > To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org > > _______________________________________________ > OpenSCAD mailing list > To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org >
GC
Gareth Chen
Tue, Jun 29, 2021 8:46 PM

I feel like the biggest issue with having only a mailing list is that past
posts are not discoverable by newcomers, which greatly limits its utility
as a general resource for the community. I know there's a mailing list
archive online, but it appears to be very buggy, as this thread has been
automatically merged with a completely different thread, rendering the
whole thing unreadable. I agree that Reddit probably isn't a great
knowledge archive either, but I think a persistent forum has concrete
utility.

On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 9:30 AM Ethan Dicks ethan.dicks@gmail.com wrote:

On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 9:12 AM jon jon@jonbondy.com wrote:

I am glad that you enjoy the fora. I do not, and will never switch from

the eMailing list.  If the eMailing list dies, then I will simply stop
interacting with the OpenSCAD community.

I am the same.  Fora are cul-de-sacs.  Things go in and eventually
they overgrow then die.

I would not join a forum.  I would stop interacting.

-ethan


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I feel like the biggest issue with having only a mailing list is that past posts are not discoverable by newcomers, which greatly limits its utility as a general resource for the community. I know there's a mailing list archive online, but it appears to be very buggy, as this thread has been automatically merged with a completely different thread, rendering the whole thing unreadable. I agree that Reddit probably isn't a great knowledge archive either, but I think a persistent forum has concrete utility. On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 9:30 AM Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 9:12 AM jon <jon@jonbondy.com> wrote: > > I am glad that you enjoy the fora. I do not, and will never switch from > the eMailing list. If the eMailing list dies, then I will simply stop > interacting with the OpenSCAD community. > > I am the same. Fora are cul-de-sacs. Things go in and eventually > they overgrow then die. > > I would not join a forum. I would stop interacting. > > -ethan > _______________________________________________ > OpenSCAD mailing list > To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org >
AC
A. Craig West
Tue, Jun 29, 2021 8:54 PM

Forums, in general, are terrible for the actual software developers to use,
as it is almost impossible to follow everything. It's always been my
biggest problem with forums, you have to actively read everything, instead
of just reading the messages as they appear...
There is clearly a huge niche waiting to be filled that would somehow
supply the functionality of both a mailing list and a forum, but in a great
many years I haven't seen it. Usenet was close, but it is no longer
that....

On Tue, 29 Jun 2021, 16:47 Gareth Chen, garethenator@gmail.com wrote:

I feel like the biggest issue with having only a mailing list is that past
posts are not discoverable by newcomers, which greatly limits its utility
as a general resource for the community. I know there's a mailing list
archive online, but it appears to be very buggy, as this thread has been
automatically merged with a completely different thread, rendering the
whole thing unreadable. I agree that Reddit probably isn't a great
knowledge archive either, but I think a persistent forum has concrete
utility.

On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 9:30 AM Ethan Dicks ethan.dicks@gmail.com wrote:

On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 9:12 AM jon jon@jonbondy.com wrote:

I am glad that you enjoy the fora. I do not, and will never switch from

the eMailing list.  If the eMailing list dies, then I will simply stop
interacting with the OpenSCAD community.

I am the same.  Fora are cul-de-sacs.  Things go in and eventually
they overgrow then die.

I would not join a forum.  I would stop interacting.

-ethan


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Forums, in general, are terrible for the actual software developers to use, as it is almost impossible to follow everything. It's always been my biggest problem with forums, you have to actively read everything, instead of just reading the messages as they appear... There is clearly a huge niche waiting to be filled that would somehow supply the functionality of both a mailing list and a forum, but in a great many years I haven't seen it. Usenet was close, but it is no longer that.... On Tue, 29 Jun 2021, 16:47 Gareth Chen, <garethenator@gmail.com> wrote: > I feel like the biggest issue with having only a mailing list is that past > posts are not discoverable by newcomers, which greatly limits its utility > as a general resource for the community. I know there's a mailing list > archive online, but it appears to be very buggy, as this thread has been > automatically merged with a completely different thread, rendering the > whole thing unreadable. I agree that Reddit probably isn't a great > knowledge archive either, but I think a persistent forum has concrete > utility. > > On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 9:30 AM Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 9:12 AM jon <jon@jonbondy.com> wrote: >> > I am glad that you enjoy the fora. I do not, and will never switch from >> the eMailing list. If the eMailing list dies, then I will simply stop >> interacting with the OpenSCAD community. >> >> I am the same. Fora are cul-de-sacs. Things go in and eventually >> they overgrow then die. >> >> I would not join a forum. I would stop interacting. >> >> -ethan >> _______________________________________________ >> OpenSCAD mailing list >> To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org >> > _______________________________________________ > OpenSCAD mailing list > To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org >
GH
Gene Heskett
Tue, Jun 29, 2021 9:01 PM

On Tuesday 29 June 2021 16:26:19 Karl Exler wrote:

I am running
System:    Host: Ungarn-Bolide Kernel: 5.4.0-74-generic x86_64 bits:
64 compiler: gcc v: 7.5.0
           Desktop: Cinnamon 4.4.8 wm: muffin dm: LightDM Distro:
Linux Mint 19.3 Tricia
           base: Ubuntu 18.04 bionic

and they only a very old version via their repository service. How can
I install the newest version, you recommended?

thanks
Karl

Do a search of duckduckgo, for openscad.org, or goto

https://openscad.org/downloads.html#linux

and way down that page, download the AppImage for your architecture
into /home/you/AppImages, and make it runnable by you. That just got me
2021-06-24. Bookmark that page as there is a new version there at
nominally monthly intervals.

AppImages are 100% self contained.

That should run your code as its 5 months newer than the the required
2021-1.

Am 29.06.21 um 22:13 schrieb Jordan Brown:

On 6/29/2021 1:07 PM, Karl Exler wrote:

ERROR: Parser error in file
"/home/karl/.local/share/SCAD/libraries/NopSCADlib/utils/maths.scad
", line 160: syntax error

That line makes use of a recently added feature.  Make sure you're
on 2021.01.


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Cheers, Gene Heskett

"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.

On Tuesday 29 June 2021 16:26:19 Karl Exler wrote: > I am running > System:    Host: Ungarn-Bolide Kernel: 5.4.0-74-generic x86_64 bits: > 64 compiler: gcc v: 7.5.0 >            Desktop: Cinnamon 4.4.8 wm: muffin dm: LightDM Distro: > Linux Mint 19.3 Tricia >            base: Ubuntu 18.04 bionic > > and they only a very old version via their repository service. How can > I install the newest version, you recommended? > > thanks > Karl Do a search of duckduckgo, for openscad.org, or goto <https://openscad.org/downloads.html#linux> and way down that page, download the AppImage for your architecture into /home/you/AppImages, and make it runnable by you. That just got me 2021-06-24. Bookmark that page as there is a new version there at nominally monthly intervals. AppImages are 100% self contained. That should run your code as its 5 months newer than the the required 2021-1. > Am 29.06.21 um 22:13 schrieb Jordan Brown: > > On 6/29/2021 1:07 PM, Karl Exler wrote: > >> ERROR: Parser error in file > >> "/home/karl/.local/share/SCAD/libraries/NopSCADlib/utils/maths.scad > >>", line 160: syntax error > > > > That line makes use of a recently added feature.  Make sure you're > > on 2021.01. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OpenSCAD mailing list > > To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
NH
nop head
Tue, Jun 29, 2021 9:50 PM

Any snapshot later than May 1st wont work as there is a huge regression bug
that nobody seems interested in fixing.

There are already some M8 screws in the library
https://github.com/nophead/NopSCADlib#Screws, cap head and hex head.

On Tue, 29 Jun 2021 at 22:02, Gene Heskett gheskett@shentel.net wrote:

On Tuesday 29 June 2021 16:26:19 Karl Exler wrote:

I am running
System:    Host: Ungarn-Bolide Kernel: 5.4.0-74-generic x86_64 bits:
64 compiler: gcc v: 7.5.0
Desktop: Cinnamon 4.4.8 wm: muffin dm: LightDM Distro:
Linux Mint 19.3 Tricia
base: Ubuntu 18.04 bionic

and they only a very old version via their repository service. How can
I install the newest version, you recommended?

thanks
Karl

Do a search of duckduckgo, for openscad.org, or goto

https://openscad.org/downloads.html#linux

and way down that page, download the AppImage for your architecture
into /home/you/AppImages, and make it runnable by you. That just got me
2021-06-24. Bookmark that page as there is a new version there at
nominally monthly intervals.

AppImages are 100% self contained.

That should run your code as its 5 months newer than the the required
2021-1.

Am 29.06.21 um 22:13 schrieb Jordan Brown:

On 6/29/2021 1:07 PM, Karl Exler wrote:

ERROR: Parser error in file
"/home/karl/.local/share/SCAD/libraries/NopSCADlib/utils/maths.scad
", line 160: syntax error

That line makes use of a recently added feature.  Make sure you're
on 2021.01.


OpenSCAD mailing list
To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org

Cheers, Gene Heskett

"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.


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Any snapshot later than May 1st wont work as there is a huge regression bug that nobody seems interested in fixing. There are already some M8 screws in the library https://github.com/nophead/NopSCADlib#Screws, cap head and hex head. On Tue, 29 Jun 2021 at 22:02, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote: > On Tuesday 29 June 2021 16:26:19 Karl Exler wrote: > > > I am running > > System: Host: Ungarn-Bolide Kernel: 5.4.0-74-generic x86_64 bits: > > 64 compiler: gcc v: 7.5.0 > > Desktop: Cinnamon 4.4.8 wm: muffin dm: LightDM Distro: > > Linux Mint 19.3 Tricia > > base: Ubuntu 18.04 bionic > > > > and they only a very old version via their repository service. How can > > I install the newest version, you recommended? > > > > thanks > > Karl > > Do a search of duckduckgo, for openscad.org, or goto > > <https://openscad.org/downloads.html#linux> > > and way down that page, download the AppImage for your architecture > into /home/you/AppImages, and make it runnable by you. That just got me > 2021-06-24. Bookmark that page as there is a new version there at > nominally monthly intervals. > > AppImages are 100% self contained. > > That should run your code as its 5 months newer than the the required > 2021-1. > > > Am 29.06.21 um 22:13 schrieb Jordan Brown: > > > On 6/29/2021 1:07 PM, Karl Exler wrote: > > >> ERROR: Parser error in file > > >> "/home/karl/.local/share/SCAD/libraries/NopSCADlib/utils/maths.scad > > >>", line 160: syntax error > > > > > > That line makes use of a recently added feature. Make sure you're > > > on 2021.01. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > OpenSCAD mailing list > > > To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org > > > Cheers, Gene Heskett > -- > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. > - Louis D. Brandeis > Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene> > _______________________________________________ > OpenSCAD mailing list > To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org >
L
larry
Tue, Jun 29, 2021 10:32 PM

On Tue, 2021-06-29 at 13:46 -0700, Gareth Chen wrote:

I feel like the biggest issue with having only a mailing list is that
past posts are not discoverable by newcomers, which greatly limits
its utility as a general resource for the community. I know there's a
mailing list archive online, but it appears to be very buggy, as this
thread has been automatically merged with a completely different
thread, rendering the whole thing unreadable. I agree that Reddit
probably isn't a great knowledge archive either, but I think a
persistent forum has concrete utility.

has the thread been merged, or is it that someone replied with a
different title, as often happens. I can't even count the number of
times I have not been able to find a thread because it does not show up
on the forum index page, but is buried under a different thread name.

On Tue, 2021-06-29 at 13:46 -0700, Gareth Chen wrote: > I feel like the biggest issue with having only a mailing list is that > past posts are not discoverable by newcomers, which greatly limits > its utility as a general resource for the community. I know there's a > mailing list archive online, but it appears to be very buggy, as this > thread has been automatically merged with a completely different > thread, rendering the whole thing unreadable. I agree that Reddit > probably isn't a great knowledge archive either, but I think a > persistent forum has concrete utility. has the thread been merged, or is it that someone replied with a different title, as often happens. I can't even count the number of times I have not been able to find a thread because it does not show up on the forum index page, but is buried under a different thread name.
JW
Jan Wieck
Tue, Jun 29, 2021 11:14 PM

On 6/29/21 4:46 PM, Gareth Chen wrote:

I feel like the biggest issue with having only a mailing list is that
past posts are not discoverable by newcomers, which greatly limits its
utility as a general resource for the community. I know there's a
mailing list archive online, but it appears to be very buggy, ...

I don't use the archive. If it is buggy, it needs to be fixed.

Another (IMHO larger) issue is that newcomers, used to forums,
apparently can't be bothered to properly do trim-inline replies. That is
to leave enough of the message, they are replying to, as quoted context,
then adding their comment(s) below. Then trim all obsolete stuff. Done
right I don't even have to follow a thread. I can jump right into a
message and know exactly what that person is talking about and replying to.

This is the way we have done it successfully for about 25 years now on
the PostgreSQL mailing lists, and there is no way we are going to
replace it with twitter style top replies any time soon.

With either top or bottom quoting I often have to scan the whole message
to actually figure out what that comment is about. If I can't do that
within 10-20 seconds, I often just skip (unless the topic is really
important to me). As do most of the core developers in the PostgreSQL
community.

Think about this the other way around too. If it takes me two minutes
longer to format my message in a way, that saves 30 people 10 seconds to
read and comprehend it, we have a net gain of three minutes. Multiply
that with the message volume.

Best Regards, Jan

--
Jan Wieck

On 6/29/21 4:46 PM, Gareth Chen wrote: > I feel like the biggest issue with having only a mailing list is that > past posts are not discoverable by newcomers, which greatly limits its > utility as a general resource for the community. I know there's a > mailing list archive online, but it appears to be very buggy, ... I don't use the archive. If it is buggy, it needs to be fixed. Another (IMHO larger) issue is that newcomers, used to forums, apparently can't be bothered to properly do trim-inline replies. That is to leave enough of the message, they are replying to, as quoted context, then adding their comment(s) below. Then trim all obsolete stuff. Done right I don't even have to follow a thread. I can jump right into a message and know exactly what that person is talking about and replying to. This is the way we have done it successfully for about 25 years now on the PostgreSQL mailing lists, and there is no way we are going to replace it with twitter style top replies any time soon. With either top or bottom quoting I often have to scan the whole message to actually figure out what that comment is about. If I can't do that within 10-20 seconds, I often just skip (unless the topic is really important to me). As do most of the core developers in the PostgreSQL community. Think about this the other way around too. If it takes me two minutes longer to format my message in a way, that saves 30 people 10 seconds to read and comprehend it, we have a net gain of three minutes. Multiply that with the message volume. Best Regards, Jan -- Jan Wieck
GC
Gareth Chen
Wed, Jun 30, 2021 5:37 AM

Forums, in general, are terrible for the actual software developers to
use, as it is almost impossible to follow everything. It's always been my
biggest problem with forums, you have to actively read everything, instead
of just reading the messages as they appear...
There is clearly a huge niche waiting to be filled that would somehow
supply the functionality of both a mailing list and a forum, but in a great
many years I haven't seen it. Usenet was close, but it is no longer
that....

I can see how it can be easier to track everything that's going on in a
mailing list, but ideally the developers shouldn't need to be tracking
absolutely everything that's being discussed, because that doesn't scale.
If the community grows, most people's questions will just be about how to
use OpenSCAD, and it doesn't seem like developers would need to read every
single one of those. If there are bugs those can be escalated to a
different subforum or filed as a GitHub issue.

I don't use the archive. If it is buggy, it needs to be fixed.

The archive is now the only point of entry for folks who weren't subscribed
to the list beforehand, so this is a huge issue IMO. It's also not
discoverable at all, though that's also an issue of the Nabble forum being
the old entry point.

Another (IMHO larger) issue is that newcomers, used to forums,

apparently can't be bothered to properly do trim-inline replies. That is
to leave enough of the message, they are replying to, as quoted context,
then adding their comment(s) below. Then trim all obsolete stuff. Done
right I don't even have to follow a thread. I can jump right into a
message and know exactly what that person is talking about and replying to.

I don't even think about quoted replies in emails because my client (Gmail)
hides them from me automatically. We can debate whether that's good or not,
but the fact of the matter is that's how mail clients have handled quoted
replies for almost 20 years, and it seems unlikely to change, no matter how
passive-aggressive you are about it. In this thread it looks like only
about half the participants have bothered to modify the quoting style, even
people who have always used the mailing list as their primary mode of
interaction.

This is the way we have done it successfully for about 25 years now on

the PostgreSQL mailing lists, and there is no way we are going to
replace it with twitter style top replies any time soon.

I sense that you're using "twitter style" as a pejorative shorthand for
"frivolous modern web design", but top-posting has been a client default
for over 20 years at this point, and even Twitter is over 15 years old.
Maybe strict email style can be enforced in smaller developer-focused
communities, but it's not going to happen in a setting where normal users
are coming to ask for help.

> > Forums, in general, are terrible for the actual software developers to > use, as it is almost impossible to follow everything. It's always been my > biggest problem with forums, you have to actively read everything, instead > of just reading the messages as they appear... > There is clearly a huge niche waiting to be filled that would somehow > supply the functionality of both a mailing list and a forum, but in a great > many years I haven't seen it. Usenet was close, but it is no longer > that.... I can see how it can be easier to track everything that's going on in a mailing list, but ideally the developers shouldn't need to be tracking absolutely everything that's being discussed, because that doesn't scale. If the community grows, most people's questions will just be about how to use OpenSCAD, and it doesn't seem like developers would need to read every single one of those. If there are bugs those can be escalated to a different subforum or filed as a GitHub issue. I don't use the archive. If it is buggy, it needs to be fixed. The archive is now the only point of entry for folks who weren't subscribed to the list beforehand, so this is a huge issue IMO. It's also not discoverable at all, though that's also an issue of the Nabble forum being the old entry point. Another (IMHO larger) issue is that newcomers, used to forums, > apparently can't be bothered to properly do trim-inline replies. That is > to leave enough of the message, they are replying to, as quoted context, > then adding their comment(s) below. Then trim all obsolete stuff. Done > right I don't even have to follow a thread. I can jump right into a > message and know exactly what that person is talking about and replying to. I don't even think about quoted replies in emails because my client (Gmail) hides them from me automatically. We can debate whether that's good or not, but the fact of the matter is that's how mail clients have handled quoted replies for almost 20 years, and it seems unlikely to change, no matter how passive-aggressive you are about it. In this thread it looks like only about half the participants have bothered to modify the quoting style, even people who have always used the mailing list as their primary mode of interaction. This is the way we have done it successfully for about 25 years now on > the PostgreSQL mailing lists, and there is no way we are going to > replace it with twitter style top replies any time soon. I sense that you're using "twitter style" as a pejorative shorthand for "frivolous modern web design", but top-posting has been a client default for over 20 years at this point, and even Twitter is over 15 years old. Maybe strict email style can be enforced in smaller developer-focused communities, but it's not going to happen in a setting where normal users are coming to ask for help.