ClikScad - create OpenSCAD models without all the typing
IMHO, Openscad as it is works fine. Having used most major CAD systems for many years, for my own projects and for teaching, openscad is my preference.
My students learn a lot more by having to think about describing their geometries with “code” than pointing and clicking. It is also important for them for understanding the differences between a programming language and a descriptive language.
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I'd really like to see something which:
- had both a desktop and web version,
Who is going to create it? I reckon the first thing that is needed is for
the OpenSCAD folks to acknowledge that a GUI front-end would be "a good
idea". At the moment there seems to be no "official" interest. (By the way I
don't mean that the OpenSCAD folks should write the program - just that they
would support it)
- had robust support for the customizer (blockscad requires one finish up
coding it in OpenSCAD)
I recently tried the customizer briefly and I was grossly under-whelmed - I
will not repeat the experience. It seems to me altogether the wrong solution
to simplification (or whatever it is trying to solve) - it certainly did not
simplify anything for me.
- allowed one to put projects up on a site where others could access them
William
People can do that now. There are lots of projects on Thingiverse and any
Cloud storage can make a file publicly available. There is nothing to
prevent someone creating a design with my ClikScad and posting that on the
Cloud somewhere.
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On 24.10.19 22:38, Robin2 wrote:
Who is going to create it? I reckon the first thing
that is needed is for the OpenSCAD folks to acknowledge
that a GUI front-end would be "a good idea". At the moment
there seems to be no "official" interest. (By the way I
don't mean that the OpenSCAD folks should write the
program - just that they would support it)
Who would that be ("the OpenSCAD folks")?
And what would "support it" mean?
ciao,
Torsten.
On 10/24/2019 1:38 PM, Robin2 wrote:
I recently tried the customizer briefly and I was grossly under-whelmed - I
will not repeat the experience. It seems to me altogether the wrong solution
to simplification (or whatever it is trying to solve) - it certainly did not
simplify anything for me.
Were you trying it as a model designer, or as a model consumer wanting
to customize somebody else's design?
It isn't intended to make things easier for the model designer. If
anything, it makes things more complex.
It's intended for a consumer who wants a box that somebody else
designed, but wants it in these dimensions, with these options.
This (hypothetical?) user doesn't want to see OpenSCAD or make
significant changes to the design, just pick options within the scope
laid out by the designer.
For instance: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:421886
(Doesn't seem to work in Firefox, but seems to work in Edge.)
It's frustrating to me that OpenJSCAD does have both a desktop and web
version, but doesn't work for me.
The customizer affords at least a basic interface for parametric design, and
for naïve users to customize designs. Things which I wish were possible in
it:
- unit conversion of customizer values when changing units --- so a design
which has a thickness of 1" would have a thicknes of 25.4mm when switched
from inches to mm - selectively hide/show elements
- additional options for formatting the customizer window
The thing which is missing from Thingiverse and other project sharing sites
is integration --- I want folks to be able to customize a design in 3D using
OpenSCAD, then use Tool Path Language (tplang), or lualatex and metapost, or
some other tool to generate cut files.
Imagine if one could use: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3575705 and then
get the .c2d file from: http://chaunax.github.io/projects/twhl-box/twhl.html
without having to enter the values twice.
William
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tp3 wrote
Who would that be ("the OpenSCAD folks")?
And what would "support it" mean?
I don't know their names but I presume there are some people who act as the
"guardian" of the OpenSCAD project - for example in the way that Linus
Torvalds does for Linux. The people who decide what goes into the next
release and what doesn't.
All I mean by "support" is a statement of encouragement - "We believe XXX
would be a useful addition to OpenSCAD and we think it should have these
general features [or should not have these features]" And maybe "we will
bundle it with (or link to it from) OpenSCAD wen it is sufficiently
complete"
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JordanBrown wrote
Were you trying it as a model designer, or as a model consumer wanting
to customize somebody else's design?
It isn't intended to make things easier for the model designer. If
anything, it makes things more complex.
It's intended for a consumer who wants a box that somebody else
designed, but wants it in these dimensions, with these options.
I was looking at it as a designer because IIRC someone referred me to it as
an alternative to my proposed GUI.
From what you say I can see how it can allow a designer to turn his
creations into a "consumer item" - and I have no quibble with that.
My interest is in creating a simpler interface for newbie designers.
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Not sure how a graphical representation is any simpler than text. It is
exactly the same logical construction expressed in a different format. Do
people really struggle much with syntax? The hard part is how to decompose
and object into CSG operations and the trigonometry.
Using text is a major benefit of OpenSCAD because it can be pasted into
emails and checked into source control. It is also fairly concise. I
imagine the graphical representation of my typical designs would be an
enormous tree.
On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 09:27, Robin2 robin@nbleopard.com wrote:
JordanBrown wrote
Were you trying it as a model designer, or as a model consumer wanting
to customize somebody else's design?
It isn't intended to make things easier for the model designer. If
anything, it makes things more complex.
It's intended for a consumer who wants a box that somebody else
designed, but wants it in these dimensions, with these options.
I was looking at it as a designer because IIRC someone referred me to it as
an alternative to my proposed GUI.
From what you say I can see how it can allow a designer to turn his
creations into a "consumer item" - and I have no quibble with that.
My interest is in creating a simpler interface for newbie designers.
...R
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Using the customizer forces one to use variables, and think about the model in those terms, which I believe helps.
The added complexity is worth it, though it would be nicer if it were more hierarchical.
William
nophead wrote
Not sure how a graphical representation is any simpler than text. It is
exactly the same logical construction expressed in a different format.
I think you misunderstand what I have in mind. Have you had a look at my
very short video https://youtu.be/q1Sd0Fuppuw
https://youtu.be/q1Sd0Fuppuw
I have no plan to produce a graphical representation of a design - the
output of my program is regular OpenSCAD code.
What I do think would be a great value is a system that eliminates the need
to do all the typing that is currently an inherent part of OpenSCAD.
In fact yesterday and today I have been using my ClikScad to design a part
that I want to 3D print and (while I can see room for improvement in
ClikScad) there is no way that I will go back to typing OpenSCAD code by
hand.
...R
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Yes I have seen your video but what would the screen look like for the
design I am working on at the moment?
[image: image.png]
It is 350 lines of code and it has taken me a couple of days. I am the
worlds worst typist but that is not what takes the time. It is working out
how the parts are going to fit together without clashes.
On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 12:14, William F. Adams via Discuss <
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Using the customizer forces one to use variables, and think about the
model in those terms, which I believe helps.
The added complexity is worth it, though it would be nicer if it were more
hierarchical.
William
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