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nop head
Thu, Feb 24, 2022 4:42 PM
It looks as if for Terry, with the option ticked, it zooms around where the
mouse was when he double clicked but for me it zooms around where the mouse
currently is. So perhaps a bug.
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 at 16:40, Terry terrypingm@gmail.com wrote:
Bingo, thanks Leonard! Never been aware of that setting. However, it does
the
OPPOSITE of what it states! For me anyway.
It already was enabled (checkmarked). But with it disabled (checkmark
removed)
it does what nop head and jon have been describing. I toggled it again a
few
times and that remains true.
====================
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 10:23:31 -0600, you wrote:
Maybe I'm missing the point here, but isn't this controlled by a
Edit -> Preferences 3D view
Make sure that the "mouse centric zoom" box is checked.
On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 10:11 AM Terry terrypingm@gmail.com wrote:
nop head, Jon,
Thanks both. I don't think I have been consistently clicking inside
model,
so thanks for that. But even when I do so it does not stay "under the
pointer". This short (24 MB) video might show you more clearly what I
And that allows one to effectively pan around by use of judicious zooms
and un-zooms at various points around the screen.
On 2/24/2022 9:33 AM, nop head wrote:
It has always zoomed such that what was under the mouse pointer
remains under the mouse pointer.
It looks as if for Terry, with the option ticked, it zooms around where the
mouse was when he double clicked but for me it zooms around where the mouse
currently is. So perhaps a bug.
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 at 16:40, Terry <terrypingm@gmail.com> wrote:
> Bingo, thanks Leonard! Never been aware of that setting. However, it does
> the
> OPPOSITE of what it states! For me anyway.
>
> It already was enabled (checkmarked). But with it disabled (checkmark
> removed)
> it does what nop head and jon have been describing. I toggled it again a
> few
> times and that remains true.
>
> ====================
>
>
> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 10:23:31 -0600, you wrote:
>
> >Maybe I'm missing the point here, but isn't this controlled by a
> Preference?
> >
> >Edit -> Preferences 3D view
> >
> >Make sure that the "mouse centric zoom" box is checked.
> >
> >
> >On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 10:11 AM Terry <terrypingm@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> nop head, Jon,
> >>
> >> Thanks both. I don't think I have been *consistently* clicking inside
> the
> >> model,
> >> so thanks for that. But even when I do so it does not stay "under the
> mouse
> >> pointer". This short (24 MB) video might show you more clearly what I
> mean:
> >>
> >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/b1zmaxo2ql8w8n9/Zooming.mp4?raw=1
> >>
> >> ====================
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 09:44:37 -0500, you wrote:
> >>
> >> >And that allows one to effectively pan around by use of judicious zooms
> >> >and un-zooms at various points around the screen.
> >> >
> >> >On 2/24/2022 9:33 AM, nop head wrote:
> >> >> It has always zoomed such that what was under the mouse pointer
> >> >> remains under the mouse pointer.
> >> >>
> >> >_______________________________________________
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Terry
Thu, Feb 24, 2022 4:58 PM
That baffles me even more than the simple 'reversal'!
BTW, one other oddity I noticed was that while panning and rotation can be
applied with the mouse pointer anywhere (in the display window), that's not true
of zooming. At some point about a third of the way in from the left edge of the
display window, the wheel scrolls the editor window instead of zooming the
display.
Terry
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 16:42:57 +0000, you wrote:
It looks as if for Terry, with the option ticked, it zooms around where the
mouse was when he double clicked but for me it zooms around where the mouse
currently is. So perhaps a bug.
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 at 16:40, Terry terrypingm@gmail.com wrote:
Bingo, thanks Leonard! Never been aware of that setting. However, it does
the
OPPOSITE of what it states! For me anyway.
It already was enabled (checkmarked). But with it disabled (checkmark
removed)
it does what nop head and jon have been describing. I toggled it again a
few
times and that remains true.
====================
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 10:23:31 -0600, you wrote:
Maybe I'm missing the point here, but isn't this controlled by a
Preference?
Edit -> Preferences 3D view
Make sure that the "mouse centric zoom" box is checked.
On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 10:11 AM Terry terrypingm@gmail.com wrote:
nop head, Jon,
Thanks both. I don't think I have been consistently clicking inside
the
model,
so thanks for that. But even when I do so it does not stay "under the
mouse
pointer". This short (24 MB) video might show you more clearly what I
mean:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/b1zmaxo2ql8w8n9/Zooming.mp4?raw=1
====================
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 09:44:37 -0500, you wrote:
And that allows one to effectively pan around by use of judicious zooms
and un-zooms at various points around the screen.
On 2/24/2022 9:33 AM, nop head wrote:
It has always zoomed such that what was under the mouse pointer
remains under the mouse pointer.
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That baffles me even more than the simple 'reversal'!
BTW, one other oddity I noticed was that while panning and rotation can be
applied with the mouse pointer anywhere (in the display window), that's not true
of zooming. At some point about a third of the way in from the left edge of the
display window, the wheel scrolls the editor window instead of zooming the
display.
Terry
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 16:42:57 +0000, you wrote:
>It looks as if for Terry, with the option ticked, it zooms around where the
>mouse was when he double clicked but for me it zooms around where the mouse
>currently is. So perhaps a bug.
>
>On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 at 16:40, Terry <terrypingm@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Bingo, thanks Leonard! Never been aware of that setting. However, it does
>> the
>> OPPOSITE of what it states! For me anyway.
>>
>> It already was enabled (checkmarked). But with it disabled (checkmark
>> removed)
>> it does what nop head and jon have been describing. I toggled it again a
>> few
>> times and that remains true.
>>
>> ====================
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 10:23:31 -0600, you wrote:
>>
>> >Maybe I'm missing the point here, but isn't this controlled by a
>> Preference?
>> >
>> >Edit -> Preferences 3D view
>> >
>> >Make sure that the "mouse centric zoom" box is checked.
>> >
>> >
>> >On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 10:11 AM Terry <terrypingm@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> nop head, Jon,
>> >>
>> >> Thanks both. I don't think I have been *consistently* clicking inside
>> the
>> >> model,
>> >> so thanks for that. But even when I do so it does not stay "under the
>> mouse
>> >> pointer". This short (24 MB) video might show you more clearly what I
>> mean:
>> >>
>> >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/b1zmaxo2ql8w8n9/Zooming.mp4?raw=1
>> >>
>> >> ====================
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 09:44:37 -0500, you wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >And that allows one to effectively pan around by use of judicious zooms
>> >> >and un-zooms at various points around the screen.
>> >> >
>> >> >On 2/24/2022 9:33 AM, nop head wrote:
>> >> >> It has always zoomed such that what was under the mouse pointer
>> >> >> remains under the mouse pointer.
>> >> >>
>> >> >_______________________________________________
>> >> >OpenSCAD mailing list
>> >> >To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org
>> >> _______________________________________________
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Bob Carter
Thu, Feb 24, 2022 5:23 PM
With that option enabled on Mac (220114) single click anywhere on the view screen sets that point as the zoom center.
Btw I never knew that until I saw this thread and it really would have been a great help last year !
Bob
On 24 Feb 2022, at 16:58, Terry terrypingm@gmail.com wrote:
That baffles me even more than the simple 'reversal'!
BTW, one other oddity I noticed was that while panning and rotation can be
applied with the mouse pointer anywhere (in the display window), that's not true
of zooming. At some point about a third of the way in from the left edge of the
display window, the wheel scrolls the editor window instead of zooming the
display.
Terry
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 16:42:57 +0000, you wrote:
It looks as if for Terry, with the option ticked, it zooms around where the
mouse was when he double clicked but for me it zooms around where the mouse
currently is. So perhaps a bug.
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 at 16:40, Terry terrypingm@gmail.com wrote:
Bingo, thanks Leonard! Never been aware of that setting. However, it does
the
OPPOSITE of what it states! For me anyway.
It already was enabled (checkmarked). But with it disabled (checkmark
removed)
it does what nop head and jon have been describing. I toggled it again a
few
times and that remains true.
====================
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 10:23:31 -0600, you wrote:
Maybe I'm missing the point here, but isn't this controlled by a
Edit -> Preferences 3D view
Make sure that the "mouse centric zoom" box is checked.
On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 10:11 AM Terry terrypingm@gmail.com wrote:
nop head, Jon,
Thanks both. I don't think I have been consistently clicking inside
model,
so thanks for that. But even when I do so it does not stay "under the
pointer". This short (24 MB) video might show you more clearly what I
And that allows one to effectively pan around by use of judicious zooms
and un-zooms at various points around the screen.
On 2/24/2022 9:33 AM, nop head wrote:
It has always zoomed such that what was under the mouse pointer
remains under the mouse pointer.
With that option enabled on Mac (220114) single click anywhere on the view screen sets that point as the zoom center.
Btw I never knew that until I saw this thread and it really would have been a great help last year !
Bob
> On 24 Feb 2022, at 16:58, Terry <terrypingm@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> That baffles me even more than the simple 'reversal'!
>
> BTW, one other oddity I noticed was that while panning and rotation can be
> applied with the mouse pointer anywhere (in the display window), that's not true
> of zooming. At some point about a third of the way in from the left edge of the
> display window, the wheel scrolls the editor window instead of zooming the
> display.
>
> Terry
>
>
> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 16:42:57 +0000, you wrote:
>
>> It looks as if for Terry, with the option ticked, it zooms around where the
>> mouse was when he double clicked but for me it zooms around where the mouse
>> currently is. So perhaps a bug.
>>
>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 at 16:40, Terry <terrypingm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Bingo, thanks Leonard! Never been aware of that setting. However, it does
>>> the
>>> OPPOSITE of what it states! For me anyway.
>>>
>>> It already was enabled (checkmarked). But with it disabled (checkmark
>>> removed)
>>> it does what nop head and jon have been describing. I toggled it again a
>>> few
>>> times and that remains true.
>>>
>>> ====================
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 10:23:31 -0600, you wrote:
>>>
>>>> Maybe I'm missing the point here, but isn't this controlled by a
>>> Preference?
>>>>
>>>> Edit -> Preferences 3D view
>>>>
>>>> Make sure that the "mouse centric zoom" box is checked.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 10:11 AM Terry <terrypingm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> nop head, Jon,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks both. I don't think I have been *consistently* clicking inside
>>> the
>>>>> model,
>>>>> so thanks for that. But even when I do so it does not stay "under the
>>> mouse
>>>>> pointer". This short (24 MB) video might show you more clearly what I
>>> mean:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/b1zmaxo2ql8w8n9/Zooming.mp4?raw=1
>>>>>
>>>>> ====================
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 09:44:37 -0500, you wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> And that allows one to effectively pan around by use of judicious zooms
>>>>>> and un-zooms at various points around the screen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/24/2022 9:33 AM, nop head wrote:
>>>>>>> It has always zoomed such that what was under the mouse pointer
>>>>>>> remains under the mouse pointer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> OpenSCAD mailing list
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Jordan Brown
Thu, Feb 24, 2022 6:34 PM
On 2/24/2022 9:23 AM, Bob Carter wrote:
With that option enabled on Mac (220114) single click anywhere on the view screen sets that point as the zoom center.
With mouse-centric zoom enabled, clicking shouldn't make any difference
to the zoom. The zoom should be centered around the current mouse
location; whatever is under the mouse stays in the same position on the
screen.
With mouse-centric zoom disabled, clicking also shouldn't make any
difference to the zoom. The zoom should be centered around the current
view origin; whatever is at the view origin stays in the same position
on the screen.
With or without mouse-centric zoom enabled, double-clicking anywhere on
the model should that point on the model be the view origin. It has to
be a point on the model, not just empty space, because it sets the view
origin in three dimensions.
On 2/24/2022 9:23 AM, Bob Carter wrote:
> With that option enabled on Mac (220114) single click anywhere on the view screen sets that point as the zoom center.
With mouse-centric zoom enabled, clicking shouldn't make any difference
to the zoom. The zoom should be centered around the current mouse
location; whatever is under the mouse stays in the same position on the
screen.
With mouse-centric zoom disabled, clicking also shouldn't make any
difference to the zoom. The zoom should be centered around the current
view origin; whatever is at the view origin stays in the same position
on the screen.
With or without mouse-centric zoom enabled, double-clicking anywhere on
the model should that point on the model be the view origin. It has to
be a point on the model, not just empty space, because it sets the view
origin in three dimensions.
L
larry
Thu, Feb 24, 2022 8:09 PM
On Thu, 2022-02-24 at 18:34 +0000, Jordan Brown wrote:
On 2/24/2022 9:23 AM, Bob Carter wrote:
With that option enabled on Mac (220114) single click anywhere on
the view screen sets that point as the zoom center.
Weird.
If I single- or double-click anywhere, on the model or not, nothing
happens.
This is true for Versions 2019.05 and 2021.01 (git 41f58fe)
I am running on Ubuntu MATE, if that makes a difference, and 2021.01 is
an Appimage.
With mouse-centric zoom enabled, clicking shouldn't make any
difference to the zoom. The zoom should be centered around the
current mouse location; whatever is under the mouse stays in the same
position on the screen.
With mouse-centric zoom disabled, clicking also shouldn't make any
difference to the zoom. The zoom should be centered around the
current view origin; whatever is at the view origin stays in the same
position on the screen.
With or without mouse-centric zoom enabled, double-clicking anywhere
on the model should that point on the model be the view origin. It
has to be a point on the model, not just empty space, because it sets
the view origin in three dimensions.
On Thu, 2022-02-24 at 18:34 +0000, Jordan Brown wrote:
> On 2/24/2022 9:23 AM, Bob Carter wrote:
> > With that option enabled on Mac (220114) single click anywhere on
> > the view screen sets that point as the zoom center.
Weird.
If I single- or double-click anywhere, on the model or not, nothing
happens.
This is true for Versions 2019.05 and 2021.01 (git 41f58fe)
I am running on Ubuntu MATE, if that makes a difference, and 2021.01 is
an Appimage.
> With mouse-centric zoom enabled, clicking shouldn't make any
> difference to the zoom. The zoom should be centered around the
> current mouse location; whatever is under the mouse stays in the same
> position on the screen.
>
> With mouse-centric zoom disabled, clicking also shouldn't make any
> difference to the zoom. The zoom should be centered around the
> current view origin; whatever is at the view origin stays in the same
> position on the screen.
>
> With or without mouse-centric zoom enabled, double-clicking anywhere
> on the model should that point on the model be the view origin. It
> has to be a point on the model, not just empty space, because it sets
> the view origin in three dimensions.
>
HL
Hans L
Fri, Feb 25, 2022 5:49 AM
BTW, one other oddity I noticed was that while panning and rotation can be
applied with the mouse pointer anywhere (in the display window), that's
not true
of zooming. At some point about a third of the way in from the left edge
of the
display window, the wheel scrolls the editor window instead of zooming the
display.
This and the movie you posted are very much nonstandard behavior. But I've
never heard of, nor seen it happening to anyone before, so it would be
difficult to reproduce.
It seems like mouse centric zooming (being on by default) is functioning
"as it should", in some small way ... but the actual problem is that
somehow the application can't correctly determine your cursor location
during wheel events.
I have no idea what would cause such a discrepancy, and it almost seems
like a bug in the Qt5 GUI framework that OpenSCAD relies on.
What version of OpenSCAD are you running? And what operating system
version?
Do you possibly have Display Scaling set in the OS?
Is there anything unique about your mouse device, or the rest of your setup?
Can you maybe fix it by resizing the 3D Pane in relation to the editor (by
clicking and dragging the bar between their borders)?
What happens if you temporarily hide the editor, by checking the box from
the menu bar "Window -> Hide Editor" ?
On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 10:58 AM Terry <terrypingm@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...
BTW, one other oddity I noticed was that while panning and rotation can be
> applied with the mouse pointer anywhere (in the display window), that's
> not true
> of zooming. At some point about a third of the way in from the left edge
> of the
> display window, the wheel scrolls the editor window instead of zooming the
> display.
>
This and the movie you posted are very much nonstandard behavior. But I've
never heard of, nor seen it happening to anyone before, so it would be
difficult to reproduce.
It seems like mouse centric zooming (being on by default) is functioning
"as it should", in some small way ... but the actual problem is that
somehow the application can't correctly determine your cursor location
during wheel events.
I have no idea what would cause such a discrepancy, and it almost seems
like a bug in the Qt5 GUI framework that OpenSCAD relies on.
What version of OpenSCAD are you running? And what operating system
version?
Do you possibly have Display Scaling set in the OS?
Is there anything unique about your mouse device, or the rest of your setup?
Can you maybe fix it by resizing the 3D Pane in relation to the editor (by
clicking and dragging the bar between their borders)?
What happens if you temporarily hide the editor, by checking the box from
the menu bar "Window -> Hide Editor" ?
- Hans
M
MichaelAtOz
Fri, Feb 25, 2022 6:21 AM
Terry, do I recall you have a Spacemouse?
If so are you Spacemouse zooming or regular mouse scroll-wheel zooming.
Does regular mouse zooming change with the Spacemouse disconnected/connected?
-----Original Message-----
From: Terry [mailto:terrypingm@gmail.com]
Sent: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 03:40
To: OpenSCAD general discussion
Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: Zooming 'centrally' without closing Editor?
Bingo, thanks Leonard! Never been aware of that setting. However, it does the
OPPOSITE of what it states! For me anyway.
It already was enabled (checkmarked). But with it disabled (checkmark removed)
it does what nop head and jon have been describing. I toggled it again a few
times and that remains true.
====================
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 10:23:31 -0600, you wrote:
Maybe I'm missing the point here, but isn't this controlled by a Preference?
Edit -> Preferences 3D view
Make sure that the "mouse centric zoom" box is checked.
On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 10:11 AM Terry terrypingm@gmail.com wrote:
nop head, Jon,
Thanks both. I don't think I have been consistently clicking inside the
model,
so thanks for that. But even when I do so it does not stay "under the mouse
pointer". This short (24 MB) video might show you more clearly what I mean:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/b1zmaxo2ql8w8n9/Zooming.mp4?raw=1
====================
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 09:44:37 -0500, you wrote:
And that allows one to effectively pan around by use of judicious zooms
and un-zooms at various points around the screen.
On 2/24/2022 9:33 AM, nop head wrote:
It has always zoomed such that what was under the mouse pointer
remains under the mouse pointer.
Terry, do I recall you have a Spacemouse?
If so are you Spacemouse zooming or regular mouse scroll-wheel zooming.
Does regular mouse zooming change with the Spacemouse disconnected/connected?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Terry [mailto:terrypingm@gmail.com]
> Sent: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 03:40
> To: OpenSCAD general discussion
> Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: Zooming 'centrally' without closing Editor?
>
> Bingo, thanks Leonard! Never been aware of that setting. However, it does the
> OPPOSITE of what it states! For me anyway.
>
> It already was enabled (checkmarked). But with it disabled (checkmark removed)
> it does what nop head and jon have been describing. I toggled it again a few
> times and that remains true.
>
> ====================
>
>
> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 10:23:31 -0600, you wrote:
>
> >Maybe I'm missing the point here, but isn't this controlled by a Preference?
> >
> >Edit -> Preferences 3D view
> >
> >Make sure that the "mouse centric zoom" box is checked.
> >
> >
> >On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 10:11 AM Terry <terrypingm@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> nop head, Jon,
> >>
> >> Thanks both. I don't think I have been *consistently* clicking inside the
> >> model,
> >> so thanks for that. But even when I do so it does not stay "under the mouse
> >> pointer". This short (24 MB) video might show you more clearly what I mean:
> >>
> >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/b1zmaxo2ql8w8n9/Zooming.mp4?raw=1
> >>
> >> ====================
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 09:44:37 -0500, you wrote:
> >>
> >> >And that allows one to effectively pan around by use of judicious zooms
> >> >and un-zooms at various points around the screen.
> >> >
> >> >On 2/24/2022 9:33 AM, nop head wrote:
> >> >> It has always zoomed such that what was under the mouse pointer
> >> >> remains under the mouse pointer.
> >> >>
> >> >_______________________________________________
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Terry
Fri, Feb 25, 2022 12:15 PM
Michael,
Yes, I've had a '3D Connexion Space Navigator' for years. Used exclusively in
(now rare) Google Earth sessions. And first thing I did this morning was unplug
it, with high expectations. Restarted OpenScad, but disappointingly no change.
My optimism was because it definitely sounded implicated in that obscure FreeCAD
issue I discussed in both the FreeCAD forum and here in 'Exporting CSG for work
in FreeCAD', 11th February. Never did satisfactorily resolve that. Abandoned it,
for now anyway. However, there may be fragments of 3DConnexion code that can
still cause trouble even when the Space Navigator is unplugged, what do I know?
So I'll pursue that when I get time. Meanwhile my focus is still on OpenSCAD.
Will shortly respond in some detail to Hans.
Terry
====================
On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 17:21:48 +1100, you wrote:
Terry, do I recall you have a Spacemouse?
If so are you Spacemouse zooming or regular mouse scroll-wheel zooming.
Does regular mouse zooming change with the Spacemouse disconnected/connected?
-----Original Message-----
From: Terry [mailto:terrypingm@gmail.com]
Sent: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 03:40
To: OpenSCAD general discussion
Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: Zooming 'centrally' without closing Editor?
Bingo, thanks Leonard! Never been aware of that setting. However, it does the
OPPOSITE of what it states! For me anyway.
It already was enabled (checkmarked). But with it disabled (checkmark removed)
it does what nop head and jon have been describing. I toggled it again a few
times and that remains true.
====================
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 10:23:31 -0600, you wrote:
Maybe I'm missing the point here, but isn't this controlled by a Preference?
Edit -> Preferences 3D view
Make sure that the "mouse centric zoom" box is checked.
On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 10:11 AM Terry terrypingm@gmail.com wrote:
nop head, Jon,
Thanks both. I don't think I have been consistently clicking inside the
model,
so thanks for that. But even when I do so it does not stay "under the mouse
pointer". This short (24 MB) video might show you more clearly what I mean:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/b1zmaxo2ql8w8n9/Zooming.mp4?raw=1
====================
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 09:44:37 -0500, you wrote:
And that allows one to effectively pan around by use of judicious zooms
and un-zooms at various points around the screen.
On 2/24/2022 9:33 AM, nop head wrote:
It has always zoomed such that what was under the mouse pointer
remains under the mouse pointer.
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Michael,
Yes, I've had a '3D Connexion Space Navigator' for years. Used exclusively in
(now rare) Google Earth sessions. And first thing I did this morning was unplug
it, with high expectations. Restarted OpenScad, but disappointingly no change.
My optimism was because it definitely sounded implicated in that obscure FreeCAD
issue I discussed in both the FreeCAD forum and here in 'Exporting CSG for work
in FreeCAD', 11th February. Never did satisfactorily resolve that. Abandoned it,
for now anyway. However, there may be fragments of 3DConnexion code that can
still cause trouble even when the Space Navigator is unplugged, what do I know?
So I'll pursue that when I get time. Meanwhile my focus is still on OpenSCAD.
Will shortly respond in some detail to Hans.
Terry
====================
On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 17:21:48 +1100, you wrote:
>
>Terry, do I recall you have a Spacemouse?
>If so are you Spacemouse zooming or regular mouse scroll-wheel zooming.
>Does regular mouse zooming change with the Spacemouse disconnected/connected?
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Terry [mailto:terrypingm@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 03:40
>> To: OpenSCAD general discussion
>> Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: Zooming 'centrally' without closing Editor?
>>
>> Bingo, thanks Leonard! Never been aware of that setting. However, it does the
>> OPPOSITE of what it states! For me anyway.
>>
>> It already was enabled (checkmarked). But with it disabled (checkmark removed)
>> it does what nop head and jon have been describing. I toggled it again a few
>> times and that remains true.
>>
>> ====================
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 10:23:31 -0600, you wrote:
>>
>> >Maybe I'm missing the point here, but isn't this controlled by a Preference?
>> >
>> >Edit -> Preferences 3D view
>> >
>> >Make sure that the "mouse centric zoom" box is checked.
>> >
>> >
>> >On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 10:11 AM Terry <terrypingm@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> nop head, Jon,
>> >>
>> >> Thanks both. I don't think I have been *consistently* clicking inside the
>> >> model,
>> >> so thanks for that. But even when I do so it does not stay "under the mouse
>> >> pointer". This short (24 MB) video might show you more clearly what I mean:
>> >>
>> >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/b1zmaxo2ql8w8n9/Zooming.mp4?raw=1
>> >>
>> >> ====================
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 09:44:37 -0500, you wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >And that allows one to effectively pan around by use of judicious zooms
>> >> >and un-zooms at various points around the screen.
>> >> >
>> >> >On 2/24/2022 9:33 AM, nop head wrote:
>> >> >> It has always zoomed such that what was under the mouse pointer
>> >> >> remains under the mouse pointer.
>> >> >>
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Rogier Wolff
Fri, Feb 25, 2022 2:35 PM
On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 12:15:51PM +0000, Terry wrote:
Michael,
Yes, I've had a '3D Connexion Space Navigator' for years. Used exclusively in
(now rare) Google Earth sessions. And first thing I did this morning was unplug
it, with high expectations. Restarted OpenScad, but disappointingly no change.
My optimism was because it definitely sounded implicated in that
obscure FreeCAD issue I discussed in both the FreeCAD forum and here
in 'Exporting CSG for work in FreeCAD', 11th February. Never did
satisfactorily resolve that. Abandoned it, for now anyway. However,
there may be fragments of 3DConnexion code that can still cause
trouble even when the Space Navigator is unplugged, what do I know?
So I'll pursue that when I get time. Meanwhile my focus is still on
OpenSCAD.
My guess is that the windows-driver was made while testing with a
certain specific application. That application had a "dead zone" for
the movement that causes zoom in openscad/freecad. Thus they tuned it
wrong and missed it during testing. And apparently the driver continues
to send these non-zero zoom-readings even without the hardware attached.
Roger.
Will shortly respond in some detail to Hans.
Terry
====================
On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 17:21:48 +1100, you wrote:
Terry, do I recall you have a Spacemouse?
If so are you Spacemouse zooming or regular mouse scroll-wheel zooming.
Does regular mouse zooming change with the Spacemouse disconnected/connected?
-----Original Message-----
From: Terry [mailto:terrypingm@gmail.com]
Sent: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 03:40
To: OpenSCAD general discussion
Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: Zooming 'centrally' without closing Editor?
Bingo, thanks Leonard! Never been aware of that setting. However, it does the
OPPOSITE of what it states! For me anyway.
It already was enabled (checkmarked). But with it disabled (checkmark removed)
it does what nop head and jon have been describing. I toggled it again a few
times and that remains true.
====================
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 10:23:31 -0600, you wrote:
Maybe I'm missing the point here, but isn't this controlled by a Preference?
Edit -> Preferences 3D view
Make sure that the "mouse centric zoom" box is checked.
On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 10:11 AM Terry terrypingm@gmail.com wrote:
nop head, Jon,
Thanks both. I don't think I have been consistently clicking inside the
model,
so thanks for that. But even when I do so it does not stay "under the mouse
pointer". This short (24 MB) video might show you more clearly what I mean:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/b1zmaxo2ql8w8n9/Zooming.mp4?raw=1
====================
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 09:44:37 -0500, you wrote:
And that allows one to effectively pan around by use of judicious zooms
and un-zooms at various points around the screen.
On 2/24/2022 9:33 AM, nop head wrote:
It has always zoomed such that what was under the mouse pointer
remains under the mouse pointer.
--
** R.E.Wolff@BitWizard.nl ** https://www.BitWizard.nl/ ** +31-15-2049110 **
** Delftechpark 11 2628 XJ Delft, The Netherlands. KVK: 27239233 **
f equals m times a. When your f is steady, and your m is going down
your a is going up. -- Chris Hadfield about flying up the space shuttle.
On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 12:15:51PM +0000, Terry wrote:
> Michael,
>
> Yes, I've had a '3D Connexion Space Navigator' for years. Used exclusively in
> (now rare) Google Earth sessions. And first thing I did this morning was unplug
> it, with high expectations. Restarted OpenScad, but disappointingly no change.
> My optimism was because it definitely sounded implicated in that
> obscure FreeCAD issue I discussed in both the FreeCAD forum and here
> in 'Exporting CSG for work in FreeCAD', 11th February. Never did
> satisfactorily resolve that. Abandoned it, for now anyway. However,
> there may be fragments of 3DConnexion code that can still cause
> trouble even when the Space Navigator is unplugged, what do I know?
> So I'll pursue that when I get time. Meanwhile my focus is still on
> OpenSCAD.
My guess is that the windows-driver was made while testing with a
certain specific application. That application had a "dead zone" for
the movement that causes zoom in openscad/freecad. Thus they tuned it
wrong and missed it during testing. And apparently the driver continues
to send these non-zero zoom-readings even without the hardware attached.
Roger.
>
> Will shortly respond in some detail to Hans.
>
> Terry
>
> ====================
>
>
> On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 17:21:48 +1100, you wrote:
>
> >
> >Terry, do I recall you have a Spacemouse?
> >If so are you Spacemouse zooming or regular mouse scroll-wheel zooming.
> >Does regular mouse zooming change with the Spacemouse disconnected/connected?
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Terry [mailto:terrypingm@gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 03:40
> >> To: OpenSCAD general discussion
> >> Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: Zooming 'centrally' without closing Editor?
> >>
> >> Bingo, thanks Leonard! Never been aware of that setting. However, it does the
> >> OPPOSITE of what it states! For me anyway.
> >>
> >> It already was enabled (checkmarked). But with it disabled (checkmark removed)
> >> it does what nop head and jon have been describing. I toggled it again a few
> >> times and that remains true.
> >>
> >> ====================
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 10:23:31 -0600, you wrote:
> >>
> >> >Maybe I'm missing the point here, but isn't this controlled by a Preference?
> >> >
> >> >Edit -> Preferences 3D view
> >> >
> >> >Make sure that the "mouse centric zoom" box is checked.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 10:11 AM Terry <terrypingm@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> nop head, Jon,
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks both. I don't think I have been *consistently* clicking inside the
> >> >> model,
> >> >> so thanks for that. But even when I do so it does not stay "under the mouse
> >> >> pointer". This short (24 MB) video might show you more clearly what I mean:
> >> >>
> >> >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/b1zmaxo2ql8w8n9/Zooming.mp4?raw=1
> >> >>
> >> >> ====================
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 09:44:37 -0500, you wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >And that allows one to effectively pan around by use of judicious zooms
> >> >> >and un-zooms at various points around the screen.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >On 2/24/2022 9:33 AM, nop head wrote:
> >> >> >> It has always zoomed such that what was under the mouse pointer
> >> >> >> remains under the mouse pointer.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >_______________________________________________
> >> >> >OpenSCAD mailing list
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** Delftechpark 11 2628 XJ Delft, The Netherlands. KVK: 27239233 **
f equals m times a. When your f is steady, and your m is going down
your a is going up. -- Chris Hadfield about flying up the space shuttle.
T
Terry
Fri, Feb 25, 2022 4:04 PM
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 23:49:40 -0600, you wrote:
BTW, one other oddity I noticed was that while panning and rotation can be
applied with the mouse pointer anywhere (in the display window), that's
not true
of zooming. At some point about a third of the way in from the left edge
of the
display window, the wheel scrolls the editor window instead of zooming the
display.
This and the movie you posted are very much nonstandard behavior. But I've
never heard of, nor seen it happening to anyone before, so it would be
difficult to reproduce.
It seems like mouse centric zooming (being on by default) is functioning
"as it should", in some small way ... but the actual problem is that
somehow the application can't correctly determine your cursor location
during wheel events.
I have no idea what would cause such a discrepancy, and it almost seems
like a bug in the Qt5 GUI framework that OpenSCAD relies on.
What version of OpenSCAD are you running? And what operating system
version?
Do you possibly have Display Scaling set in the OS?
Is there anything unique about your mouse device, or the rest of your setup?
Can you maybe fix it by resizing the 3D Pane in relation to the editor (by
clicking and dragging the bar between their borders)?
What happens if you temporarily hide the editor, by checking the box from
the menu bar "Window -> Hide Editor" ?
Hans,
I'm using 2021.01 on a PC and the OS is Win 10 Version 20H2 (OS Build
19042.1526).
Here's a further video (63 MB) to summarise current status:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/hyywxyktg5bomdg/OpenSCADMouseWheel2.mp4?raw=1
In the hope that it might offer possible clues, I've also attached images of all
my Preference > Settings (apart from 3D Print). Until yesterday's post by
Leonard I'd never looked at these. So they are all at their defaults, apart from
mouse-centric zoom which I've now disabled.
I assume you've also seem my comments about 3D Connexion.
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 23:49:40 -0600, you wrote:
>On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 10:58 AM Terry <terrypingm@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ...
>
>BTW, one other oddity I noticed was that while panning and rotation can be
>> applied with the mouse pointer anywhere (in the display window), that's
>> not true
>> of zooming. At some point about a third of the way in from the left edge
>> of the
>> display window, the wheel scrolls the editor window instead of zooming the
>> display.
>>
>
>
>This and the movie you posted are very much nonstandard behavior. But I've
>never heard of, nor seen it happening to anyone before, so it would be
>difficult to reproduce.
>
>It seems like mouse centric zooming (being on by default) is functioning
>"as it should", in some small way ... but the actual problem is that
>somehow the application can't correctly determine your cursor location
>during wheel events.
>I have no idea what would cause such a discrepancy, and it almost seems
>like a bug in the Qt5 GUI framework that OpenSCAD relies on.
>
>What version of OpenSCAD are you running? And what operating system
>version?
>Do you possibly have Display Scaling set in the OS?
>Is there anything unique about your mouse device, or the rest of your setup?
>
>Can you maybe fix it by resizing the 3D Pane in relation to the editor (by
>clicking and dragging the bar between their borders)?
>What happens if you temporarily hide the editor, by checking the box from
>the menu bar "Window -> Hide Editor" ?
>
>- Hans
Hans,
I'm using 2021.01 on a PC and the OS is Win 10 Version 20H2 (OS Build
19042.1526).
Here's a further video (63 MB) to summarise current status:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/hyywxyktg5bomdg/OpenSCADMouseWheel2.mp4?raw=1
In the hope that it might offer possible clues, I've also attached images of all
my Preference > Settings (apart from 3D Print). Until yesterday's post by
Leonard I'd never looked at these. So they are all at their defaults, apart from
mouse-centric zoom which I've now disabled.
I assume you've also seem my comments about 3D Connexion.