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fractorr
Tue, Apr 24, 2018 6:22 PM

I am looking at buying a 3D printer, just looking for a small fairly
inexpensive 3D printer, any recommendations?  It just for prototyping small
pieces with a max size of about 4" x 4" x 1", does not need to super fast,
hoping to be able to use nylon, something in the $300 - $500 range if
possible.

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I am looking at buying a 3D printer, just looking for a small fairly inexpensive 3D printer, any recommendations? It just for prototyping small pieces with a max size of about 4" x 4" x 1", does not need to super fast, hoping to be able to use nylon, something in the $300 - $500 range if possible. -- Sent from: http://forum.openscad.org/
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David Coneff
Tue, Apr 24, 2018 7:34 PM

https://www.reddit.com/r/3Dprinting/comments/813q30/3d_printing_purchase_advice_megathread_what/dv0sj1t/

Reddit's 3dprinting megathread buying guide.
Short answer - The MP Select will come in under budget for you and print
that build volume. I have one myself but haven't tried nylon in it. Not
sure what the material requirements are for it.

On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 12:22 PM, fractorr fractorr@gmail.com wrote:

I am looking at buying a 3D printer, just looking for a small fairly
inexpensive 3D printer, any recommendations?  It just for prototyping small
pieces with a max size of about 4" x 4" x 1", does not need to super fast,
hoping to be able to use nylon, something in the $300 - $500 range if
possible.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/3Dprinting/comments/813q30/3d_printing_purchase_advice_megathread_what/dv0sj1t/ Reddit's 3dprinting megathread buying guide. Short answer - The MP Select will come in under budget for you and print that build volume. I have one myself but haven't tried nylon in it. Not sure what the material requirements are for it. On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 12:22 PM, fractorr <fractorr@gmail.com> wrote: > I am looking at buying a 3D printer, just looking for a small fairly > inexpensive 3D printer, any recommendations? It just for prototyping small > pieces with a max size of about 4" x 4" x 1", does not need to super fast, > hoping to be able to use nylon, something in the $300 - $500 range if > possible. > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.openscad.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > OpenSCAD mailing list > Discuss@lists.openscad.org > http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org >
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jon
Tue, Apr 24, 2018 9:51 PM

I like the CR-10, for around $500, but I wonder whether it can get hot
enough for nylon. The hot end for the CR-10 should not go over 240,
which is just at the low end for nylon.  You might be able to find some
nylon-ish filaments that would work.  I print nylon in an enclosure, and
the CR-10 does not come with one.  If you can make do with PLA, the
CR-10 is wonderful.

On 4/24/2018 2:22 PM, fractorr wrote:

I am looking at buying a 3D printer, just looking for a small fairly
inexpensive 3D printer, any recommendations?  It just for prototyping small
pieces with a max size of about 4" x 4" x 1", does not need to super fast,
hoping to be able to use nylon, something in the $300 - $500 range if
possible.

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I like the CR-10, for around $500, but I wonder whether it can get hot enough for nylon. The hot end for the CR-10 should not go over 240, which is just at the low end for nylon.  You might be able to find some nylon-ish filaments that would work.  I print nylon in an enclosure, and the CR-10 does not come with one.  If you can make do with PLA, the CR-10 is wonderful. On 4/24/2018 2:22 PM, fractorr wrote: > I am looking at buying a 3D printer, just looking for a small fairly > inexpensive 3D printer, any recommendations? It just for prototyping small > pieces with a max size of about 4" x 4" x 1", does not need to super fast, > hoping to be able to use nylon, something in the $300 - $500 range if > possible. > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.openscad.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > OpenSCAD mailing list > Discuss@lists.openscad.org > http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org > >
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Rick
Tue, Apr 24, 2018 10:08 PM

I just printed some nuts and bolts with my CR-10 @0.6mm, as a test.
They're very tight but they work great.  I like that they're tight.  I want
to screw them into an aluminium tube that I've tapped out, that appears to
be a go.  Nice fit, good hold.

I was planning on making an enclosure, and I was planning on trying nylon.
I guess I should do those things in that order.

On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 5:51 PM, jon jon@jonbondy.com wrote:

I like the CR-10, for around $500, but I wonder whether it can get hot
enough for nylon. The hot end for the CR-10 should not go over 240, which
is just at the low end for nylon.  You might be able to find some nylon-ish
filaments that would work.  I print nylon in an enclosure, and the CR-10
does not come with one.  If you can make do with PLA, the CR-10 is
wonderful.

On 4/24/2018 2:22 PM, fractorr wrote:

I am looking at buying a 3D printer, just looking for a small fairly
inexpensive 3D printer, any recommendations?  It just for prototyping
small
pieces with a max size of about 4" x 4" x 1", does not need to super fast,
hoping to be able to use nylon, something in the $300 - $500 range if
possible.

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I just printed some nuts and bolts with my CR-10 @0.6mm, as a test. They're very tight but they work great. I like that they're tight. I want to screw them into an aluminium tube that I've tapped out, that appears to be a go. Nice fit, good hold. I was planning on making an enclosure, and I was planning on trying nylon. I guess I should do those things in that order. On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 5:51 PM, jon <jon@jonbondy.com> wrote: > I like the CR-10, for around $500, but I wonder whether it can get hot > enough for nylon. The hot end for the CR-10 should not go over 240, which > is just at the low end for nylon. You might be able to find some nylon-ish > filaments that would work. I print nylon in an enclosure, and the CR-10 > does not come with one. If you can make do with PLA, the CR-10 is > wonderful. > > > On 4/24/2018 2:22 PM, fractorr wrote: > >> I am looking at buying a 3D printer, just looking for a small fairly >> inexpensive 3D printer, any recommendations? It just for prototyping >> small >> pieces with a max size of about 4" x 4" x 1", does not need to super fast, >> hoping to be able to use nylon, something in the $300 - $500 range if >> possible. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from: http://forum.openscad.org/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OpenSCAD mailing list >> Discuss@lists.openscad.org >> http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > OpenSCAD mailing list > Discuss@lists.openscad.org > http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org > -- "Rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated." -- Jesus Christ
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Jamie Bainbridge
Tue, Apr 24, 2018 11:20 PM

For nylon, the number one thing you want is an all-metal heatbreak.

Many of these cheap Chinese printers have a design where the teflon
filament tube goes down into the hot nozzle area. Above 240C, teflon
releases an odorless colorless neurotoxin which is very harmful. You
will need to go over 250C to print Nylon, so a printer design with the
teflon tube up against the nozzle is not suitable.

If you buy one of these cheap machines with the teflon tube hotend,
then spend the money upgrading the hotend to a genuine E3D V6 hotend
which has an all-metal heatbreak. Buy from a genuine reseller such as
Filastruder (USA) or E3D themselves (UK). You will find designs for
upgrading most printers to a V6 on Thingiverse or MyMiniFactory.

Don't believe cheap printer vendor marketing and don't buy a cheap
clone hotend. A lot of them sell these teflon-lined hotends as
"improved design" which isn't actually an improvement at all. Where a
cheap clone actually has a metal heatbreak, usually the machining is
inferior which just leads to filament clogging.

Jamie

On 25 April 2018 at 04:22, fractorr fractorr@gmail.com wrote:

I am looking at buying a 3D printer, just looking for a small fairly
inexpensive 3D printer, any recommendations?  It just for prototyping small
pieces with a max size of about 4" x 4" x 1", does not need to super fast,
hoping to be able to use nylon, something in the $300 - $500 range if
possible.

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For nylon, the number one thing you want is an all-metal heatbreak. Many of these cheap Chinese printers have a design where the teflon filament tube goes down into the hot nozzle area. Above 240C, teflon releases an odorless colorless neurotoxin which is very harmful. You will need to go over 250C to print Nylon, so a printer design with the teflon tube up against the nozzle is not suitable. If you buy one of these cheap machines with the teflon tube hotend, then spend the money upgrading the hotend to a genuine E3D V6 hotend which has an all-metal heatbreak. Buy from a genuine reseller such as Filastruder (USA) or E3D themselves (UK). You will find designs for upgrading most printers to a V6 on Thingiverse or MyMiniFactory. Don't believe cheap printer vendor marketing and don't buy a cheap clone hotend. A lot of them sell these teflon-lined hotends as "improved design" which isn't actually an improvement at all. Where a cheap clone actually has a metal heatbreak, usually the machining is inferior which just leads to filament clogging. Jamie On 25 April 2018 at 04:22, fractorr <fractorr@gmail.com> wrote: > I am looking at buying a 3D printer, just looking for a small fairly > inexpensive 3D printer, any recommendations? It just for prototyping small > pieces with a max size of about 4" x 4" x 1", does not need to super fast, > hoping to be able to use nylon, something in the $300 - $500 range if > possible. > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.openscad.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > OpenSCAD mailing list > Discuss@lists.openscad.org > http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org
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fred
Tue, Apr 24, 2018 11:33 PM

If you're shooting for nylon, you'll also want to know that nylon filament is seriously hydroscopic. It can absorb atmospheric water in as little as a day, compared to PLA or ABS which is good for a week or more. Keep the nylon sealed when not in use. Print your part and remove the nylon immediately, unless a repeat print is in the works.

The stuff expands a good ten percent after its printed, depending on the original dimensions.

If you're shooting for nylon, you'll also want to know that nylon filament is seriously hydroscopic. It can absorb atmospheric water in as little as a day, compared to PLA or ABS which is good for a week or more. Keep the nylon sealed when not in use. Print your part and remove the nylon immediately, unless a repeat print is in the works. The stuff expands a good ten percent after its printed, depending on the original dimensions.
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Trevor Orr
Wed, Apr 25, 2018 5:15 AM

Thanks all for the input. What about the Dremel Digilab 3D20? It looks like
it should do what I want and from my reading should be able to nylon.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00NA00MWS/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1524633249&sr=1-1-spons&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=Dremel+Digilab+3D20&psc=1

On April 24, 2018 4:21:37 PM Jamie Bainbridge jamie.bainbridge@gmail.com
wrote:

For nylon, the number one thing you want is an all-metal heatbreak.

Many of these cheap Chinese printers have a design where the teflon
filament tube goes down into the hot nozzle area. Above 240C, teflon
releases an odorless colorless neurotoxin which is very harmful. You
will need to go over 250C to print Nylon, so a printer design with the
teflon tube up against the nozzle is not suitable.

If you buy one of these cheap machines with the teflon tube hotend,
then spend the money upgrading the hotend to a genuine E3D V6 hotend
which has an all-metal heatbreak. Buy from a genuine reseller such as
Filastruder (USA) or E3D themselves (UK). You will find designs for
upgrading most printers to a V6 on Thingiverse or MyMiniFactory.

Don't believe cheap printer vendor marketing and don't buy a cheap
clone hotend. A lot of them sell these teflon-lined hotends as
"improved design" which isn't actually an improvement at all. Where a
cheap clone actually has a metal heatbreak, usually the machining is
inferior which just leads to filament clogging.

Jamie

On 25 April 2018 at 04:22, fractorr fractorr@gmail.com wrote:

I am looking at buying a 3D printer, just looking for a small fairly
inexpensive 3D printer, any recommendations?  It just for prototyping small
pieces with a max size of about 4" x 4" x 1", does not need to super fast,
hoping to be able to use nylon, something in the $300 - $500 range if
possible.

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Thanks all for the input. What about the Dremel Digilab 3D20? It looks like it should do what I want and from my reading should be able to nylon. https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00NA00MWS/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1524633249&sr=1-1-spons&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=Dremel+Digilab+3D20&psc=1 On April 24, 2018 4:21:37 PM Jamie Bainbridge <jamie.bainbridge@gmail.com> wrote: > For nylon, the number one thing you want is an all-metal heatbreak. > > Many of these cheap Chinese printers have a design where the teflon > filament tube goes down into the hot nozzle area. Above 240C, teflon > releases an odorless colorless neurotoxin which is very harmful. You > will need to go over 250C to print Nylon, so a printer design with the > teflon tube up against the nozzle is not suitable. > > If you buy one of these cheap machines with the teflon tube hotend, > then spend the money upgrading the hotend to a genuine E3D V6 hotend > which has an all-metal heatbreak. Buy from a genuine reseller such as > Filastruder (USA) or E3D themselves (UK). You will find designs for > upgrading most printers to a V6 on Thingiverse or MyMiniFactory. > > Don't believe cheap printer vendor marketing and don't buy a cheap > clone hotend. A lot of them sell these teflon-lined hotends as > "improved design" which isn't actually an improvement at all. Where a > cheap clone actually has a metal heatbreak, usually the machining is > inferior which just leads to filament clogging. > > Jamie > > > > On 25 April 2018 at 04:22, fractorr <fractorr@gmail.com> wrote: > > I am looking at buying a 3D printer, just looking for a small fairly > > inexpensive 3D printer, any recommendations? It just for prototyping small > > pieces with a max size of about 4" x 4" x 1", does not need to super fast, > > hoping to be able to use nylon, something in the $300 - $500 range if > > possible. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from: http://forum.openscad.org/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OpenSCAD mailing list > > Discuss@lists.openscad.org > > http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org > > _______________________________________________ > OpenSCAD mailing list > Discuss@lists.openscad.org > http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org
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Rick
Wed, Apr 25, 2018 9:03 AM

Above 240C, teflon releases an odorless colorless neurotoxin which is

very harmful.

That's good information, thanks Jamie.

On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 7:20 PM, Jamie Bainbridge <
jamie.bainbridge@gmail.com> wrote:

For nylon, the number one thing you want is an all-metal heatbreak.

Many of these cheap Chinese printers have a design where the teflon
filament tube goes down into the hot nozzle area. Above 240C, teflon
releases an odorless colorless neurotoxin which is very harmful. You
will need to go over 250C to print Nylon, so a printer design with the
teflon tube up against the nozzle is not suitable.

If you buy one of these cheap machines with the teflon tube hotend,
then spend the money upgrading the hotend to a genuine E3D V6 hotend
which has an all-metal heatbreak. Buy from a genuine reseller such as
Filastruder (USA) or E3D themselves (UK). You will find designs for
upgrading most printers to a V6 on Thingiverse or MyMiniFactory.

Don't believe cheap printer vendor marketing and don't buy a cheap
clone hotend. A lot of them sell these teflon-lined hotends as
"improved design" which isn't actually an improvement at all. Where a
cheap clone actually has a metal heatbreak, usually the machining is
inferior which just leads to filament clogging.

Jamie

On 25 April 2018 at 04:22, fractorr fractorr@gmail.com wrote:

I am looking at buying a 3D printer, just looking for a small fairly
inexpensive 3D printer, any recommendations?  It just for prototyping

small

pieces with a max size of about 4" x 4" x 1", does not need to super

fast,

hoping to be able to use nylon, something in the $300 - $500 range if
possible.

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> Above 240C, teflon releases an odorless colorless neurotoxin which is very harmful. That's good information, thanks Jamie. On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 7:20 PM, Jamie Bainbridge < jamie.bainbridge@gmail.com> wrote: > For nylon, the number one thing you want is an all-metal heatbreak. > > Many of these cheap Chinese printers have a design where the teflon > filament tube goes down into the hot nozzle area. Above 240C, teflon > releases an odorless colorless neurotoxin which is very harmful. You > will need to go over 250C to print Nylon, so a printer design with the > teflon tube up against the nozzle is not suitable. > > If you buy one of these cheap machines with the teflon tube hotend, > then spend the money upgrading the hotend to a genuine E3D V6 hotend > which has an all-metal heatbreak. Buy from a genuine reseller such as > Filastruder (USA) or E3D themselves (UK). You will find designs for > upgrading most printers to a V6 on Thingiverse or MyMiniFactory. > > Don't believe cheap printer vendor marketing and don't buy a cheap > clone hotend. A lot of them sell these teflon-lined hotends as > "improved design" which isn't actually an improvement at all. Where a > cheap clone actually has a metal heatbreak, usually the machining is > inferior which just leads to filament clogging. > > Jamie > > > > On 25 April 2018 at 04:22, fractorr <fractorr@gmail.com> wrote: > > I am looking at buying a 3D printer, just looking for a small fairly > > inexpensive 3D printer, any recommendations? It just for prototyping > small > > pieces with a max size of about 4" x 4" x 1", does not need to super > fast, > > hoping to be able to use nylon, something in the $300 - $500 range if > > possible. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from: http://forum.openscad.org/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OpenSCAD mailing list > > Discuss@lists.openscad.org > > http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org > > _______________________________________________ > OpenSCAD mailing list > Discuss@lists.openscad.org > http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org > -- "Rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated." -- Jesus Christ
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nop head
Wed, Apr 25, 2018 9:38 AM

Well I have spend years amongst 3D printers with PTFE liners running at
255C and haven't noticed my neurons being poisoned. Wikipedia says above
300C for Teflon flu. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymer_fume_fever

On 25 April 2018 at 10:03, Rick graham.rick@gmail.com wrote:

Above 240C, teflon releases an odorless colorless neurotoxin which is

very harmful.

That's good information, thanks Jamie.

On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 7:20 PM, Jamie Bainbridge <
jamie.bainbridge@gmail.com> wrote:

For nylon, the number one thing you want is an all-metal heatbreak.

Many of these cheap Chinese printers have a design where the teflon
filament tube goes down into the hot nozzle area. Above 240C, teflon
releases an odorless colorless neurotoxin which is very harmful. You
will need to go over 250C to print Nylon, so a printer design with the
teflon tube up against the nozzle is not suitable.

If you buy one of these cheap machines with the teflon tube hotend,
then spend the money upgrading the hotend to a genuine E3D V6 hotend
which has an all-metal heatbreak. Buy from a genuine reseller such as
Filastruder (USA) or E3D themselves (UK). You will find designs for
upgrading most printers to a V6 on Thingiverse or MyMiniFactory.

Don't believe cheap printer vendor marketing and don't buy a cheap
clone hotend. A lot of them sell these teflon-lined hotends as
"improved design" which isn't actually an improvement at all. Where a
cheap clone actually has a metal heatbreak, usually the machining is
inferior which just leads to filament clogging.

Jamie

On 25 April 2018 at 04:22, fractorr fractorr@gmail.com wrote:

I am looking at buying a 3D printer, just looking for a small fairly
inexpensive 3D printer, any recommendations?  It just for prototyping

small

pieces with a max size of about 4" x 4" x 1", does not need to super

fast,

hoping to be able to use nylon, something in the $300 - $500 range if
possible.

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Well I have spend years amongst 3D printers with PTFE liners running at 255C and haven't noticed my neurons being poisoned. Wikipedia says above 300C for Teflon flu. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymer_fume_fever On 25 April 2018 at 10:03, Rick <graham.rick@gmail.com> wrote: > > Above 240C, teflon releases an odorless colorless neurotoxin which is > very harmful. > > That's good information, thanks Jamie. > > On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 7:20 PM, Jamie Bainbridge < > jamie.bainbridge@gmail.com> wrote: > >> For nylon, the number one thing you want is an all-metal heatbreak. >> >> Many of these cheap Chinese printers have a design where the teflon >> filament tube goes down into the hot nozzle area. Above 240C, teflon >> releases an odorless colorless neurotoxin which is very harmful. You >> will need to go over 250C to print Nylon, so a printer design with the >> teflon tube up against the nozzle is not suitable. >> >> If you buy one of these cheap machines with the teflon tube hotend, >> then spend the money upgrading the hotend to a genuine E3D V6 hotend >> which has an all-metal heatbreak. Buy from a genuine reseller such as >> Filastruder (USA) or E3D themselves (UK). You will find designs for >> upgrading most printers to a V6 on Thingiverse or MyMiniFactory. >> >> Don't believe cheap printer vendor marketing and don't buy a cheap >> clone hotend. A lot of them sell these teflon-lined hotends as >> "improved design" which isn't actually an improvement at all. Where a >> cheap clone actually has a metal heatbreak, usually the machining is >> inferior which just leads to filament clogging. >> >> Jamie >> >> >> >> On 25 April 2018 at 04:22, fractorr <fractorr@gmail.com> wrote: >> > I am looking at buying a 3D printer, just looking for a small fairly >> > inexpensive 3D printer, any recommendations? It just for prototyping >> small >> > pieces with a max size of about 4" x 4" x 1", does not need to super >> fast, >> > hoping to be able to use nylon, something in the $300 - $500 range if >> > possible. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Sent from: http://forum.openscad.org/ >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > OpenSCAD mailing list >> > Discuss@lists.openscad.org >> > http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OpenSCAD mailing list >> Discuss@lists.openscad.org >> http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org >> > > > > -- > "Rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated." > -- Jesus Christ > > _______________________________________________ > OpenSCAD mailing list > Discuss@lists.openscad.org > http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org > >
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MichaelAtOz
Wed, Apr 25, 2018 9:57 AM

nophead wrote

Well I have spend years amongst 3D printers with PTFE liners running at
255C and haven't noticed my neurons being poisoned

Well that explains a lot ;) once your neurons are done for, you obviously
wont notice...like mad hatters ;)

Wikipedia > The polymer fumes are especially harmful to certain birds whose
breathing, optimized for rapidity, allows toxins which are excluded by human
lungs. Fumes from Teflon in very high heat are fatal to parrots.

So we need a parrot rather than a canary? ... obviously leading to the Monty
Python sketch...


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nophead wrote > Well I have spend years amongst 3D printers with PTFE liners running at > 255C and haven't noticed my neurons being poisoned Well that explains a lot ;) once your neurons are done for, you obviously wont notice...like mad hatters ;) Wikipedia > The polymer fumes are especially harmful to certain birds whose breathing, optimized for rapidity, allows toxins which are excluded by human lungs. Fumes from Teflon in very high heat are fatal to parrots. So we need a parrot rather than a canary? ... obviously leading to the Monty Python sketch... ----- Admin - PM me if you need anything, or if I've done something stupid... Unless specifically shown otherwise above, my contribution is in the Public Domain; to the extent possible under law, I have waived all copyright and related or neighbouring rights to this work. Obviously inclusion of works of previous authors is not included in the above. The TPP is no simple “trade agreement.” Fight it! http://www.ourfairdeal.org/ time is running out! -- Sent from: http://forum.openscad.org/