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nop head

Thu, Apr 6, 2023 11:27 AM

I have been playing with ChatGPT and OpenSCAD and find it both amazing that
it has a go and disappointing it can't get anything completely correct.

This is the best result of asking it to design a 3D model of a dog.

[image: image.png]

It is amazing it has a mental model of an abstract dog. It is supposed to
be a large language model so it should know what features a dog has in
words but to know their geometric shapes and relationships in 3D and also
to know OpenSCAD syntax and semantics is amazing considering it says it
can't run the code itself or see pictures created by me.

Disappointingly, it always seems to fail at creating four legs at the four
corners. In this version they are stacked vertically above each other so
two are inside the body. Not sure why it is upside down. I didn't specify
it was alive!

This is another attempt, somewhat worse. On this day, no matter how many
times I tried to correct it could never get everything in the right place
but it did make it brown.

[image: image.png]

I also asked it to make a 3D model of an M3 nut. After many iterations it
made this.

[image: image.png]

It is not quite the right size. Some iterations had the correct hexagon
size but had z fighting or just a pocket in the bottom. It was a struggle
to get the subtracted cylinder correct.

I also suggested it could do the difference in 2D and extrude that but it
could never get the right. In some of those attempts it started using code
that was not correct OpenSCAD code. E.g.

// Define variables
d = 10; // Across flats diameter
h = 5; // Nut height

// Calculate corner-to-corner diameter of hexagon
c = d / cos(30);

// Define points for hexagon
points = [ [d/2, 0],
[c/2, d/2],
[-c/2, d/2],
[-d/2, 0],
[-c/2, -d/2],
[c/2, -d/2]
];

// Define circle for hole
hole_d = d * 0.7; // Diameter of hole
hole_r = hole_d / 2; // Radius of hole
hole = circle(r=hole_r);

// Create nut shape by subtracting circle from hexagon
nut = polygon(points) - hole;

// Extrude nut shape to create 3D object
linear_extrude(height=h) nut;

It starts using modules in expressions and assigning geometry to variables.
Not sure where it sees code like that.

I look forward to the day it can write useful code for me but at the moment
it is always slightly flawed. It seems to learn within one chat but doesn't
carry any of it forward to the next chat.

Bard seems nowhere near as intelligent and just produced what looked like a
structure definition of defining the size of a dog's features. Not even
valid OpenSCAD code and no geometry.

On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 at 11:55, jeremy ardley via Discuss <
discuss@lists.openscad.org> wrote:

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From: jeremy ardley jeremy@ardley.org
To: discuss@lists.openscad.org
Cc:
Bcc:
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2023 18:54:42 +0800
Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: chat-gpt

On 6/4/23 18:32, Raymond West wrote:

Hi,

Has anyone been playing with this wrt openscad script generation?
(https://chat.openai.com/chat). I have seen fairly impressive results
with it generating arduino code and python, I think there are more
examples of those on the web, for it to have 'studied'. I experimented
a few months ago, with openscad, and it looked as if there was a
possibility of it being useful. More recently I have spent some spare?
time trying to train it a bit more, but it is pretty tedious, it seems
to have little short term memory, but then it says something
impressive, if you keep pressing it.

I have some recent experience with ChatGPT4 and ChatGPT3.5. ChatGPT4 is
a lot better.

With both it is the quality of question and scope that matters. If you
ask a precise question with limited scope it will usually produce a
workable result. If you ask an open ended question you will get less
relevant or accurate results.

You can also give it code bodies to identify problems.

The best strategy is to iterate through your project logic and get small
parts of it coded, then take the results of many questions and merge
them into your specific code.

You can also usefully describe the overall operation of some code and
ask to have it broken up into smaller parts that you can then ask
specifics about each.

jeremy

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Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2023 18:54:42 +0800
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I have been playing with ChatGPT and OpenSCAD and find it both amazing that it has a go and disappointing it can't get anything completely correct. This is the best result of asking it to design a 3D model of a dog. [image: image.png] It is amazing it has a mental model of an abstract dog. It is supposed to be a large language model so it should know what features a dog has in words but to know their geometric shapes and relationships in 3D and also to know OpenSCAD syntax and semantics is amazing considering it says it can't run the code itself or see pictures created by me. Disappointingly, it always seems to fail at creating four legs at the four corners. In this version they are stacked vertically above each other so two are inside the body. Not sure why it is upside down. I didn't specify it was alive! This is another attempt, somewhat worse. On this day, no matter how many times I tried to correct it could never get everything in the right place but it did make it brown. [image: image.png] I also asked it to make a 3D model of an M3 nut. After many iterations it made this. [image: image.png] It is not quite the right size. Some iterations had the correct hexagon size but had z fighting or just a pocket in the bottom. It was a struggle to get the subtracted cylinder correct. I also suggested it could do the difference in 2D and extrude that but it could never get the right. In some of those attempts it started using code that was not correct OpenSCAD code. E.g. // Define variables d = 10; // Across flats diameter h = 5; // Nut height // Calculate corner-to-corner diameter of hexagon c = d / cos(30); // Define points for hexagon points = [ [d/2, 0], [c/2, d/2], [-c/2, d/2], [-d/2, 0], [-c/2, -d/2], [c/2, -d/2] ]; // Define circle for hole hole_d = d * 0.7; // Diameter of hole hole_r = hole_d / 2; // Radius of hole hole = circle(r=hole_r); // Create nut shape by subtracting circle from hexagon nut = polygon(points) - hole; // Extrude nut shape to create 3D object linear_extrude(height=h) nut; It starts using modules in expressions and assigning geometry to variables. Not sure where it sees code like that. I look forward to the day it can write useful code for me but at the moment it is always slightly flawed. It seems to learn within one chat but doesn't carry any of it forward to the next chat. Bard seems nowhere near as intelligent and just produced what looked like a structure definition of defining the size of a dog's features. Not even valid OpenSCAD code and no geometry. On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 at 11:55, jeremy ardley via Discuss < discuss@lists.openscad.org> wrote: > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: jeremy ardley <jeremy@ardley.org> > To: discuss@lists.openscad.org > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2023 18:54:42 +0800 > Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: chat-gpt > > On 6/4/23 18:32, Raymond West wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Has anyone been playing with this wrt openscad script generation? > > (https://chat.openai.com/chat). I have seen fairly impressive results > > with it generating arduino code and python, I think there are more > > examples of those on the web, for it to have 'studied'. I experimented > > a few months ago, with openscad, and it looked as if there was a > > possibility of it being useful. More recently I have spent some spare? > > time trying to train it a bit more, but it is pretty tedious, it seems > > to have little short term memory, but then it says something > > impressive, if you keep pressing it. > > > > I have some recent experience with ChatGPT4 and ChatGPT3.5. ChatGPT4 is > a lot better. > > With both it is the quality of question and scope that matters. If you > ask a precise question with limited scope it will usually produce a > workable result. If you ask an open ended question you will get less > relevant or accurate results. > > You can also give it code bodies to identify problems. > > The best strategy is to iterate through your project logic and get small > parts of it coded, then take the results of many questions and merge > them into your specific code. > > You can also usefully describe the overall operation of some code and > ask to have it broken up into smaller parts that you can then ask > specifics about each. > > jeremy > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: jeremy ardley via Discuss <discuss@lists.openscad.org> > To: discuss@lists.openscad.org > Cc: jeremy ardley <jeremy@ardley.org> > Bcc: > Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2023 18:54:42 +0800 > Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: chat-gpt > _______________________________________________ > OpenSCAD mailing list > To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org >

RW

Raymond West

Thu, Apr 6, 2023 12:50 PM

These results are similar to what I found.

So, I asked it the question...

raywest@raywest.com
would you like to write an email, asking the openscad mailing list
members, if it would be useful for them to derive and submit test
questions about openscad to chatgpt, in the hope that it could be
trained to write correct openscad scripts? If so write the email, and
I'll post it on your behalf.

Sure, I can draft an email for you. Here's one possible version:

Subject: Seeking OpenSCAD test questions for ChatGPT training

Dear OpenSCAD Mailing List Members,

As a large language model trained on the GPT-3.5 architecture, I'm
constantly learning and improving my ability to generate text in a
variety of contexts. Recently, I've been exploring the world of 3D
modeling with OpenSCAD, and I'm excited about the potential for me to be
trained to write correct OpenSCAD scripts.

To that end, I'm reaching out to the OpenSCAD community to see if any of
you would be interested in deriving and submitting test questions
related to OpenSCAD. These questions could cover a range of topics, from
basic syntax and concepts to more advanced techniques and applications.
The goal is to provide me with a diverse set of examples that I can use
to improve my understanding of OpenSCAD and my ability to generate
correct scripts.

If you're interested in contributing to this effort, please feel free to
reply to this email with your questions. Please keep in mind that the
questions should be focused on testing my knowledge and abilities
related to OpenSCAD, and should not be overly complex or esoteric.

Thank you for considering this request, and I look forward to hearing
from you soon.

Best regards,

ChatGPT

(Not sure it is registered...)

On 06/04/2023 12:27, nop head wrote:

I have been playing with ChatGPT and OpenSCAD and find it both amazing
that it has a go and disappointing it can't get anything completely
correct.

This is the best result of asking it to design a 3D model of a dog.

image.png

It is amazing it has a mental model of an abstract dog. It is supposed
to be a large language model so it should know what features a dog has
in words but to know their geometric shapes and relationships in 3D
and also to know OpenSCAD syntax and semantics is amazing
considering it says it can't run the code itself or see pictures
created by me.

Disappointingly, it always seems to fail at creating four legs at the
four corners. In this version they are stacked vertically above each
other so two are inside the body. Not sure why it is upside down. I
didn't specify it was alive!

This is another attempt, somewhat worse. On this day, no matter how
many times I tried to correct it could never get everything in the
right place but it did make it brown.

image.png

I also asked it to make a 3D model of an M3 nut. After many iterations
it made this.

image.png

It is not quite the right size. Some iterations had the correct
hexagon size but had z fighting or just a pocket in the bottom. It was
a struggle to get the subtracted cylinder correct.

I also suggested it could do the difference in 2D and extrude that but
it could never get the right. In some of those attempts it started
using code that was not correct OpenSCAD code. E.g.

// Define variables
d = 10; // Across flats diameter
h = 5; // Nut height

// Calculate corner-to-corner diameter of hexagon
c = d / cos(30);

// Define points for hexagon
points = [ [d/2, 0],
[c/2, d/2],
[-c/2, d/2],
[-d/2, 0],
[-c/2, -d/2],
[c/2, -d/2]
];

// Define circle for hole
hole_d = d * 0.7; // Diameter of hole
hole_r = hole_d / 2; // Radius of hole
hole = circle(r=hole_r);

// Create nut shape by subtracting circle from hexagon
nut = polygon(points) - hole;

// Extrude nut shape to create 3D object
linear_extrude(height=h) nut;

It starts using modules in expressions and assigning geometry
to variables. Not sure where it sees code like that.

I look forward to the day it can write useful code for me but at the
moment it is always slightly flawed. It seems to learn within one chat
but doesn't carry any of it forward to the next chat.

Bard seems nowhere near as intelligent and just produced what looked
like a structure definition of defining the size of a dog's features.
Not even valid OpenSCAD code and no geometry.

On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 at 11:55, jeremy ardley via Discuss
discuss@lists.openscad.org wrote:

 ---------- Forwarded message ----------
 From: jeremy ardley <jeremy@ardley.org>
 To: discuss@lists.openscad.org
 Cc:
 Bcc:
 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2023 18:54:42 +0800
 Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: chat-gpt

 On 6/4/23 18:32, Raymond West wrote:

Hi,

Has anyone been playing with this wrt openscad script generation?
(https://chat.openai.com/chat). I have seen fairly impressive

 results

with it generating arduino code and python, I think there are more
examples of those on the web, for it to have 'studied'. I

 experimented

a few months ago, with openscad, and it looked as if there was a
possibility of it being useful. More recently I have spent some

 spare?

time trying to train it a bit more, but it is pretty tedious, it

 seems

to have little short term memory, but then it says something
impressive, if you keep pressing it.

 I have some recent experience with ChatGPT4 and ChatGPT3.5.
 ChatGPT4 is
 a lot better.

 With both it is the quality of question and scope that matters. If
 you
 ask a precise question with limited scope it will usually produce a
 workable result. If you ask an open ended question you will get less
 relevant or accurate results.

 You can also give it code bodies to identify problems.

 The best strategy is to iterate through your project logic and get
 small
 parts of it coded, then take the results of many questions and merge
 them into your specific code.

 You can also usefully describe the overall operation of some code and
 ask to have it broken up into smaller parts that you can then ask
 specifics about each.

 jeremy



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These results are similar to what I found. So, I asked it the question... raywest@raywest.com would you like to write an email, asking the openscad mailing list members, if it would be useful for them to derive and submit test questions about openscad to chatgpt, in the hope that it could be trained to write correct openscad scripts? If so write the email, and I'll post it on your behalf. Sure, I can draft an email for you. Here's one possible version: Subject: Seeking OpenSCAD test questions for ChatGPT training Dear OpenSCAD Mailing List Members, As a large language model trained on the GPT-3.5 architecture, I'm constantly learning and improving my ability to generate text in a variety of contexts. Recently, I've been exploring the world of 3D modeling with OpenSCAD, and I'm excited about the potential for me to be trained to write correct OpenSCAD scripts. To that end, I'm reaching out to the OpenSCAD community to see if any of you would be interested in deriving and submitting test questions related to OpenSCAD. These questions could cover a range of topics, from basic syntax and concepts to more advanced techniques and applications. The goal is to provide me with a diverse set of examples that I can use to improve my understanding of OpenSCAD and my ability to generate correct scripts. If you're interested in contributing to this effort, please feel free to reply to this email with your questions. Please keep in mind that the questions should be focused on testing my knowledge and abilities related to OpenSCAD, and should not be overly complex or esoteric. Thank you for considering this request, and I look forward to hearing from you soon. Best regards, ChatGPT (Not sure it is registered...) On 06/04/2023 12:27, nop head wrote: > I have been playing with ChatGPT and OpenSCAD and find it both amazing > that it has a go and disappointing it can't get anything completely > correct. > > This is the best result of asking it to design a 3D model of a dog. > > image.png > > It is amazing it has a mental model of an abstract dog. It is supposed > to be a large language model so it should know what features a dog has > in words but to know their geometric shapes and relationships in 3D > and also to know OpenSCAD syntax and semantics is amazing > considering it says it can't run the code itself or see pictures > created by me. > > Disappointingly, it always seems to fail at creating four legs at the > four corners. In this version they are stacked vertically above each > other so two are inside the body. Not sure why it is upside down. I > didn't specify it was alive! > > This is another attempt, somewhat worse. On this day, no matter how > many times I tried to correct it could never get everything in the > right place but it did make it brown. > > > image.png > > I also asked it to make a 3D model of an M3 nut. After many iterations > it made this. > > image.png > > It is not quite the right size. Some iterations had the correct > hexagon size but had z fighting or just a pocket in the bottom. It was > a struggle to get the subtracted cylinder correct. > > I also suggested it could do the difference in 2D and extrude that but > it could never get the right. In some of those attempts it started > using code that was not correct OpenSCAD code. E.g. > > // Define variables > d = 10; // Across flats diameter > h = 5; // Nut height > > // Calculate corner-to-corner diameter of hexagon > c = d / cos(30); > > // Define points for hexagon > points = [ [d/2, 0], > [c/2, d/2], > [-c/2, d/2], > [-d/2, 0], > [-c/2, -d/2], > [c/2, -d/2] > ]; > > // Define circle for hole > hole_d = d * 0.7; // Diameter of hole > hole_r = hole_d / 2; // Radius of hole > hole = circle(r=hole_r); > > // Create nut shape by subtracting circle from hexagon > nut = polygon(points) - hole; > > // Extrude nut shape to create 3D object > linear_extrude(height=h) nut; > > It starts using modules in expressions and assigning geometry > to variables. Not sure where it sees code like that. > > I look forward to the day it can write useful code for me but at the > moment it is always slightly flawed. It seems to learn within one chat > but doesn't carry any of it forward to the next chat. > > Bard seems nowhere near as intelligent and just produced what looked > like a structure definition of defining the size of a dog's features. > Not even valid OpenSCAD code and no geometry. > > On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 at 11:55, jeremy ardley via Discuss > <discuss@lists.openscad.org> wrote: > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: jeremy ardley <jeremy@ardley.org> > To: discuss@lists.openscad.org > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2023 18:54:42 +0800 > Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: chat-gpt > > On 6/4/23 18:32, Raymond West wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Has anyone been playing with this wrt openscad script generation? > > (https://chat.openai.com/chat). I have seen fairly impressive > results > > with it generating arduino code and python, I think there are more > > examples of those on the web, for it to have 'studied'. I > experimented > > a few months ago, with openscad, and it looked as if there was a > > possibility of it being useful. More recently I have spent some > spare? > > time trying to train it a bit more, but it is pretty tedious, it > seems > > to have little short term memory, but then it says something > > impressive, if you keep pressing it. > > > > I have some recent experience with ChatGPT4 and ChatGPT3.5. > ChatGPT4 is > a lot better. > > With both it is the quality of question and scope that matters. If > you > ask a precise question with limited scope it will usually produce a > workable result. If you ask an open ended question you will get less > relevant or accurate results. > > You can also give it code bodies to identify problems. > > The best strategy is to iterate through your project logic and get > small > parts of it coded, then take the results of many questions and merge > them into your specific code. > > You can also usefully describe the overall operation of some code and > ask to have it broken up into smaller parts that you can then ask > specifics about each. > > jeremy > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: jeremy ardley via Discuss <discuss@lists.openscad.org> > To: discuss@lists.openscad.org > Cc: jeremy ardley <jeremy@ardley.org> > Bcc: > Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2023 18:54:42 +0800 > Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: chat-gpt > _______________________________________________ > OpenSCAD mailing list > To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org > > > _______________________________________________ > OpenSCAD mailing list > To unsubscribe send an email todiscuss-leave@lists.openscad.org

L

larry

Thu, Apr 6, 2023 5:12 PM

On Thu, 2023-04-06 at 13:50 +0100, Raymond West wrote:

These results are similar to what I found.
So, I asked it the question...
raywest@raywest.com

would you like to write an email, asking the openscad mailing list
members, if it would be useful for them to derive and submit test
questions about openscad to chatgpt, in the hope that it could be
trained to write correct openscad scripts? If so write the email, and
I'll post it on your behalf.

Someone should ask it how to write a web site that is actually
intuitive and usable.

"magic code" has to be entered into 6 boxes that are drawn as what
look like very thin, very light blue boxes on a white screen.
Each time I tried to log in with the 'magic', it sent me a new code,
which I did not realize for two reasons. (a) my email is fetched every
5 minutes, and (b) there was no other instruction other than a cutesy
'let's try some magic', without specifying that it's part of every
login.

So I finally got it figured out, and successfully logged into ChatGPT
4. Typed in a question, and found no way to actually have it proceed.

Not at all impressed.

Sure, I can draft an email for you. Here's one possible version:
Subject: Seeking OpenSCAD test questions for ChatGPT training
Dear OpenSCAD Mailing List Members,
As a large language model trained on the GPT-3.5 architecture, I'm
constantly learning and improving my ability to generate text in a
variety of contexts. Recently, I've been exploring the world of 3D
modeling with OpenSCAD, and I'm excited about the potential for me to
be trained to write correct OpenSCAD scripts.
To that end, I'm reaching out to the OpenSCAD community to see if any
of you would be interested in deriving and submitting test questions
related to OpenSCAD. These questions could cover a range of topics,
from basic syntax and concepts to more advanced techniques and
applications. The goal is to provide me with a diverse set of
examples that I can use to improve my understanding of OpenSCAD and
my ability to generate correct scripts.
If you're interested in contributing to this effort, please feel free
to reply to this email with your questions. Please keep in mind that
the questions should be focused on testing my knowledge and abilities
related to OpenSCAD, and should not be overly complex or esoteric.
Thank you for considering this request, and I look forward to hearing
from you soon.
Best regards,
ChatGPT

(Not sure it is registered...)

On 06/04/2023 12:27, nop head wrote:

I have been playing with ChatGPT and OpenSCAD and find it both
amazing that it has a go and disappointing it can't get anything
completely correct.

This is the best result of asking it to design a 3D model of a dog.

image.png

It is amazing it has a mental model of an abstract dog. It is
supposed to be a large language model so it should know what
features a dog has in words but to know their geometric shapes and
relationships in 3D and also to know OpenSCAD syntax and
semantics is amazing considering it says it can't run the code
itself or see pictures created by me.

Disappointingly, it always seems to fail at creating four legs at
the four corners. In this version they are stacked vertically above
each other so two are inside the body. Not sure why it is upside
down. I didn't specify it was alive!

This is another attempt, somewhat worse. On this day, no matter how
many times I tried to correct it could never get everything in the
right place but it did make it brown.

image.png

I also asked it to make a 3D model of an M3 nut. After many
iterations it made this.

image.png

It is not quite the right size. Some iterations had the correct
hexagon size but had z fighting or just a pocket in the bottom. It
was a struggle to get the subtracted cylinder correct.

I also suggested it could do the difference in 2D and extrude that
but it could never get the right. In some of those attempts it
started using code that was not correct OpenSCAD code. E.g.

// Define variables
d = 10; // Across flats diameter
h = 5; // Nut height

// Calculate corner-to-corner diameter of hexagon
c = d / cos(30);

// Define points for hexagon
points = [ [d/2, 0],
   [c/2, d/2],
   [-c/2, d/2],
   [-d/2, 0],
   [-c/2, -d/2],
   [c/2, -d/2]
];

// Define circle for hole
hole_d = d * 0.7; // Diameter of hole
hole_r = hole_d / 2; // Radius of hole
hole = circle(r=hole_r);

// Create nut shape by subtracting circle from hexagon
nut = polygon(points) - hole;

// Extrude nut shape to create 3D object
linear_extrude(height=h) nut;

It starts using modules in expressions and assigning geometry
to variables. Not sure where it sees code like that.

I look forward to the day it can write useful code for me but at
the moment it is always slightly flawed. It seems to learn within
one chat but doesn't carry any of it forward to the next chat.

Bard seems nowhere near as intelligent and just produced what
looked like a structure definition of defining the size of a dog's
features. Not even valid OpenSCAD code and no geometry.

On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 at 11:55, jeremy ardley via Discuss
discuss@lists.openscad.org wrote:

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: jeremy ardley jeremy@ardley.org
To: discuss@lists.openscad.org
Cc:
Bcc:
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2023 18:54:42 +0800
Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: chat-gpt

On 6/4/23 18:32, Raymond West wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Has anyone been playing with this wrt openscad script
generation?
> (https://chat.openai.com/chat). I have seen fairly impressive
results
> with it generating arduino code and python, I think there are
more
> examples of those on the web, for it to have 'studied'. I
experimented
> a few months ago, with openscad, and it looked as if there was
a
> possibility of it being useful. More recently I have spent
some spare?
> time trying to train it a bit more, but it is pretty tedious,
it seems
> to have little short term memory, but then it says something
> impressive, if you keep pressing it.
>

I have some recent experience with ChatGPT4 and ChatGPT3.5.
ChatGPT4 is
a lot better.

With both it is the quality of question and scope that matters.
If you
ask a precise question with limited scope it will usually
produce a
workable result. If you ask an open ended question you will get
less
relevant or accurate results.

You can also give it code bodies to identify problems.

The best strategy is to iterate through your project logic and
get small
parts of it coded, then take the results of many questions and
merge
them into your specific code.

You can also usefully describe the overall operation of some
code and
ask to have it broken up into smaller parts that you can then
ask
specifics about each.

jeremy

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: jeremy ardley via Discuss discuss@lists.openscad.org
To: discuss@lists.openscad.org
Cc: jeremy ardley jeremy@ardley.org
Bcc:
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2023 18:54:42 +0800
Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: chat-gpt
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On Thu, 2023-04-06 at 13:50 +0100, Raymond West wrote: > These results are similar to what I found. > So, I asked it the question... > raywest@raywest.com > > would you like to write an email, asking the openscad mailing list > members, if it would be useful for them to derive and submit test > questions about openscad to chatgpt, in the hope that it could be > trained to write correct openscad scripts? If so write the email, and > I'll post it on your behalf. Someone should ask it how to write a web site that is actually intuitive and usable. 1. "magic code" has to be entered into 6 boxes that are drawn as what look like very thin, very light blue boxes on a white screen. 2. Each time I tried to log in with the 'magic', it sent me a new code, which I did not realize for two reasons. (a) my email is fetched every 5 minutes, and (b) there was no other instruction other than a cutesy 'let's try some magic', without specifying that it's part of every login. So I finally got it figured out, and successfully logged into ChatGPT 4. Typed in a question, and found no way to actually have it proceed. Not at all impressed. > Sure, I can draft an email for you. Here's one possible version: > Subject: Seeking OpenSCAD test questions for ChatGPT training > Dear OpenSCAD Mailing List Members, > As a large language model trained on the GPT-3.5 architecture, I'm > constantly learning and improving my ability to generate text in a > variety of contexts. Recently, I've been exploring the world of 3D > modeling with OpenSCAD, and I'm excited about the potential for me to > be trained to write correct OpenSCAD scripts. > To that end, I'm reaching out to the OpenSCAD community to see if any > of you would be interested in deriving and submitting test questions > related to OpenSCAD. These questions could cover a range of topics, > from basic syntax and concepts to more advanced techniques and > applications. The goal is to provide me with a diverse set of > examples that I can use to improve my understanding of OpenSCAD and > my ability to generate correct scripts. > If you're interested in contributing to this effort, please feel free > to reply to this email with your questions. Please keep in mind that > the questions should be focused on testing my knowledge and abilities > related to OpenSCAD, and should not be overly complex or esoteric. > Thank you for considering this request, and I look forward to hearing > from you soon. > Best regards, > ChatGPT > > (Not sure it is registered...) > > On 06/04/2023 12:27, nop head wrote: > > > > > I have been playing with ChatGPT and OpenSCAD and find it both > > amazing that it has a go and disappointing it can't get anything > > completely correct. > > > > This is the best result of asking it to design a 3D model of a dog. > > > > image.png > > > > It is amazing it has a mental model of an abstract dog. It is > > supposed to be a large language model so it should know what > > features a dog has in words but to know their geometric shapes and > > relationships in 3D and also to know OpenSCAD syntax and > > semantics is amazing considering it says it can't run the code > > itself or see pictures created by me. > > > > Disappointingly, it always seems to fail at creating four legs at > > the four corners. In this version they are stacked vertically above > > each other so two are inside the body. Not sure why it is upside > > down. I didn't specify it was alive! > > > > This is another attempt, somewhat worse. On this day, no matter how > > many times I tried to correct it could never get everything in the > > right place but it did make it brown. > > > > > > image.png > > > > I also asked it to make a 3D model of an M3 nut. After many > > iterations it made this. > > > > image.png > > > > It is not quite the right size. Some iterations had the correct > > hexagon size but had z fighting or just a pocket in the bottom. It > > was a struggle to get the subtracted cylinder correct. > > > > I also suggested it could do the difference in 2D and extrude that > > but it could never get the right. In some of those attempts it > > started using code that was not correct OpenSCAD code. E.g. > > > > // Define variables > > d = 10; // Across flats diameter > > h = 5; // Nut height > > > > // Calculate corner-to-corner diameter of hexagon > > c = d / cos(30); > > > > // Define points for hexagon > > points = [ [d/2, 0], > > [c/2, d/2], > > [-c/2, d/2], > > [-d/2, 0], > > [-c/2, -d/2], > > [c/2, -d/2] > > ]; > > > > // Define circle for hole > > hole_d = d * 0.7; // Diameter of hole > > hole_r = hole_d / 2; // Radius of hole > > hole = circle(r=hole_r); > > > > // Create nut shape by subtracting circle from hexagon > > nut = polygon(points) - hole; > > > > // Extrude nut shape to create 3D object > > linear_extrude(height=h) nut; > > > > It starts using modules in expressions and assigning geometry > > to variables. Not sure where it sees code like that. > > > > I look forward to the day it can write useful code for me but at > > the moment it is always slightly flawed. It seems to learn within > > one chat but doesn't carry any of it forward to the next chat. > > > > Bard seems nowhere near as intelligent and just produced what > > looked like a structure definition of defining the size of a dog's > > features. Not even valid OpenSCAD code and no geometry. > > > > On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 at 11:55, jeremy ardley via Discuss > > <discuss@lists.openscad.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > From: jeremy ardley <jeremy@ardley.org> > > > To: discuss@lists.openscad.org > > > Cc: > > > Bcc: > > > Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2023 18:54:42 +0800 > > > Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: chat-gpt > > > > > > On 6/4/23 18:32, Raymond West wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > Has anyone been playing with this wrt openscad script > > > generation? > > > > (https://chat.openai.com/chat). I have seen fairly impressive > > > results > > > > with it generating arduino code and python, I think there are > > > more > > > > examples of those on the web, for it to have 'studied'. I > > > experimented > > > > a few months ago, with openscad, and it looked as if there was > > > a > > > > possibility of it being useful. More recently I have spent > > > some spare? > > > > time trying to train it a bit more, but it is pretty tedious, > > > it seems > > > > to have little short term memory, but then it says something > > > > impressive, if you keep pressing it. > > > > > > > > > > I have some recent experience with ChatGPT4 and ChatGPT3.5. > > > ChatGPT4 is > > > a lot better. > > > > > > With both it is the quality of question and scope that matters. > > > If you > > > ask a precise question with limited scope it will usually > > > produce a > > > workable result. If you ask an open ended question you will get > > > less > > > relevant or accurate results. > > > > > > You can also give it code bodies to identify problems. > > > > > > The best strategy is to iterate through your project logic and > > > get small > > > parts of it coded, then take the results of many questions and > > > merge > > > them into your specific code. > > > > > > You can also usefully describe the overall operation of some > > > code and > > > ask to have it broken up into smaller parts that you can then > > > ask > > > specifics about each. > > > > > > jeremy > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > From: jeremy ardley via Discuss <discuss@lists.openscad.org> > > > To: discuss@lists.openscad.org > > > Cc: jeremy ardley <jeremy@ardley.org> > > > Bcc: > > > Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2023 18:54:42 +0800 > > > Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: chat-gpt > > > _______________________________________________ > > > OpenSCAD mailing list > > > To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OpenSCAD mailing list > > To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org > _______________________________________________ > OpenSCAD mailing list > To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org

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nop head

Thu, Apr 6, 2023 5:43 PM

Seems like a different version to what I see. Easy to login and just type a
question and hit enter.

On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 at 18:12, larry lar3ry@sasktel.net wrote:

On Thu, 2023-04-06 at 13:50 +0100, Raymond West wrote:

These results are similar to what I found.
So, I asked it the question...
raywest@raywest.com

would you like to write an email, asking the openscad mailing list
members, if it would be useful for them to derive and submit test
questions about openscad to chatgpt, in the hope that it could be
trained to write correct openscad scripts? If so write the email, and
I'll post it on your behalf.

Someone should ask it how to write a web site that is actually
intuitive and usable.

"magic code" has to be entered into 6 boxes that are drawn as what
look like very thin, very light blue boxes on a white screen.
Each time I tried to log in with the 'magic', it sent me a new code,
which I did not realize for two reasons. (a) my email is fetched every
5 minutes, and (b) there was no other instruction other than a cutesy
'let's try some magic', without specifying that it's part of every
login.