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Gene Heskett
Sat, Apr 10, 2021 8:24 PM

On Saturday 10 April 2021 10:20:22 Torsten Paul wrote:

On 10.04.21 16:11, nop head wrote:

I noticed some recent discussions seemed a bit disjointed and
just found that a lot of messages had been classified as spam
by Google.

Yep, not just Google, I'm getting that issue on GMX too. With
the old mailing list server it was no issue, having the mailing
list address setup in mail preferences made sure it's ending
up in the inbox. That does not seem to help with the new server
unfortunately.

I don't get anything from gmail other than what other users have sent
thru them to mailing lists.

But I also use spamassassin and its suddenly taken a serious dislike to
several of the lists I subcribe to. Its a right PITA, even occasionally
nailing a plain text message based on the tom-foolery in the headers.

That, frankly has gotten totally out of hand just in the last 90 days.

ciao,
Torsten.


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On Saturday 10 April 2021 10:20:22 Torsten Paul wrote: > On 10.04.21 16:11, nop head wrote: > > I noticed some recent discussions seemed a bit disjointed and > > just found that a lot of messages had been classified as spam > > by Google. > > Yep, not just Google, I'm getting that issue on GMX too. With > the old mailing list server it was no issue, having the mailing > list address setup in mail preferences made sure it's ending > up in the inbox. That does not seem to help with the new server > unfortunately. > I don't get anything from gmail other than what other users have sent thru them to mailing lists. But I also use spamassassin and its suddenly taken a serious dislike to several of the lists I subcribe to. Its a right PITA, even occasionally nailing a plain text message based on the tom-foolery in the headers. That, frankly has gotten totally out of hand just in the last 90 days. > ciao, > Torsten. > _______________________________________________ > OpenSCAD mailing list > To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
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MichaelAtOz
Sun, Apr 11, 2021 12:00 AM

I'm looking into this.
I always had a small number flagged, I haven't seen a change in frequency
since the change tho.

I had 3 in my Gmail spam folder today.
They all said:
"Why is this message in spam? It is similar to messages that were identified
as spam in the past."

Which is not helpful, but I think it would help if everyone could select
list messages and click 'not spam'.

I have found that one, out of 94, blacklists had flagged the IP of our
provider.


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I'm looking into this. I always had a small number flagged, I haven't seen a change in frequency since the change tho. I had 3 in my Gmail spam folder today. They all said: "Why is this message in spam? It is similar to messages that were identified as spam in the past." Which is not helpful, but I think it would help if everyone could select list messages and click 'not spam'. I have found that one, out of 94, blacklists had flagged the IP of our provider. ----- OpenSCAD Admin - email* me if you need anything, or if I've done something stupid... * on the Forum, click on my MichaelAtOz label, there is a link to email me. Unless specifically shown otherwise above, my contribution is in the Public Domain; to the extent possible under law, I have waived all copyright and related or neighbouring rights to this work. Obviously inclusion of works of previous authors is not included in the above. -- Sent from: http://forum.openscad.org/
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larry
Sun, Apr 11, 2021 4:09 AM

Just to provide another data point. I was previously running Pegasus
Mail on a Windows 7 machine, and recently started switching over to
Linux (Ubuntu MATE), and have been running Evolution email for about a
month or more. All email arriving from this list is filtered into its
own directory, and I have not had any show as spam in my local junk
folder, nor have any been flagged by my ISP as spam.
On Sat, 2021-04-10 at 17:00 -0700, MichaelAtOz wrote:

I'm looking into this.

I always had a small number flagged, I haven't seen a change in
frequency since the change tho.

I had 3 in my Gmail spam folder today.

They all said:

"Why is this message in spam? It is similar to messages that were
identified as spam in the past."

Which is not helpful, but I think it would help if everyone could
select list messages and click 'not spam'.

I have found that one, out of 94, blacklists had flagged the IP of
our provider.

			OpenSCAD Admin - email* me if you need

anything,  or if I've done something stupid...

  • on the Forum, click on my MichaelAtOz label, there is a link to
    email me.

Unless specifically shown otherwise above, my contribution is in the
Public Domain;
to the extent possible under law, I have waived all copyright and
related or neighbouring rights to this work.
Obviously inclusion of works of previous authors is not included in
the above.

Sent from the OpenSCAD mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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Just to provide another data point. I was previously running Pegasus Mail on a Windows 7 machine, and recently started switching over to Linux (Ubuntu MATE), and have been running Evolution email for about a month or more. All email arriving from this list is filtered into its own directory, and I have not had any show as spam in my local junk folder, nor have any been flagged by my ISP as spam. On Sat, 2021-04-10 at 17:00 -0700, MichaelAtOz wrote: > I'm looking into this. > > I always had a small number flagged, I haven't seen a change in > frequency since the change tho. > > > I had 3 in my Gmail spam folder today. > > They all said: > > "Why is this message in spam? It is similar to messages that were > identified as spam in the past." > > > Which is not helpful, but I think it would help if everyone could > select list messages and click 'not spam'. > > > I have found that one, out of 94, blacklists had flagged the IP of > our provider. > > > > > > > > OpenSCAD Admin - email* me if you need > anything, or if I've done something stupid... > > > * on the Forum, click on my MichaelAtOz label, there is a link to > email me. > > > > Unless specifically shown otherwise above, my contribution is in the > Public Domain; > to the extent possible under law, I have waived all copyright and > related or neighbouring rights to this work. > Obviously inclusion of works of previous authors is not included in > the above. > > > > > > Sent from the OpenSCAD mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________OpenSCAD mailing > listTo unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org
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Rob Ward
Sun, Apr 11, 2021 5:54 AM

Same here, updated to latest Ubuntu Mate 6months ago, and running Thunderbird with many filter tests, and OpenScad filters into correct folder. Identified SPAM is unopened and deleted from server, deleted locally on exit.

Works ok apart from things like BitCoin spam that goes to great lengths to confuse filters with weird fonts and "spellings".
Cheers, RobW

On 11 April 2021 2:09:29 pm AEST, larry lar3ry@sasktel.net wrote:

Just to provide another data point. I was previously running Pegasus
Mail on a Windows 7 machine, and recently started switching over to
Linux (Ubuntu MATE), and have been running Evolution email for about a
month or more. All email arriving from this list is filtered into its
own directory, and I have not had any show as spam in my local junk
folder, nor have any been flagged by my ISP as spam.
On Sat, 2021-04-10 at 17:00 -0700, MichaelAtOz wrote:

I'm looking into this.

I always had a small number flagged, I haven't seen a change in
frequency since the change tho.

I had 3 in my Gmail spam folder today.

They all said:

"Why is this message in spam? It is similar to messages that were
identified as spam in the past."

Which is not helpful, but I think it would help if everyone could
select list messages and click 'not spam'.

I have found that one, out of 94, blacklists had flagged the IP of
our provider.

			OpenSCAD Admin - email* me if you need

anything,  or if I've done something stupid...

  • on the Forum, click on my MichaelAtOz label, there is a link to
    email me.

Unless specifically shown otherwise above, my contribution is in the
Public Domain;
to the extent possible under law, I have waived all copyright and
related or neighbouring rights to this work.
Obviously inclusion of works of previous authors is not included in
the above.

Sent from the OpenSCAD mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
_______________________________________________OpenSCAD mailing
listTo unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org

Same here, updated to latest Ubuntu Mate 6months ago, and running Thunderbird with many filter tests, and OpenScad filters into correct folder. Identified SPAM is unopened and deleted from server, deleted locally on exit. Works ok apart from things like BitCoin spam that goes to great lengths to confuse filters with weird fonts and "spellings". Cheers, RobW On 11 April 2021 2:09:29 pm AEST, larry <lar3ry@sasktel.net> wrote: >Just to provide another data point. I was previously running Pegasus >Mail on a Windows 7 machine, and recently started switching over to >Linux (Ubuntu MATE), and have been running Evolution email for about a >month or more. All email arriving from this list is filtered into its >own directory, and I have not had any show as spam in my local junk >folder, nor have any been flagged by my ISP as spam. >On Sat, 2021-04-10 at 17:00 -0700, MichaelAtOz wrote: >> I'm looking into this. >> >> I always had a small number flagged, I haven't seen a change in >> frequency since the change tho. >> >> >> I had 3 in my Gmail spam folder today. >> >> They all said: >> >> "Why is this message in spam? It is similar to messages that were >> identified as spam in the past." >> >> >> Which is not helpful, but I think it would help if everyone could >> select list messages and click 'not spam'. >> >> >> I have found that one, out of 94, blacklists had flagged the IP of >> our provider. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> OpenSCAD Admin - email* me if you need >> anything, or if I've done something stupid... >> >> >> * on the Forum, click on my MichaelAtOz label, there is a link to >> email me. >> >> >> >> Unless specifically shown otherwise above, my contribution is in the >> Public Domain; >> to the extent possible under law, I have waived all copyright and >> related or neighbouring rights to this work. >> Obviously inclusion of works of previous authors is not included in >> the above. >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from the OpenSCAD mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> _______________________________________________OpenSCAD mailing >> listTo unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org
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Arne Köhn
Mon, Apr 12, 2021 6:23 AM

He headers of your mail state (on my end):

Authentication-Results: mm2.emwd.com;
dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="J+THZxuw";
dkim-atps=neutral

Original-Authentication-Results: mm2.emwd.com;
dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="J+THZxuw";
dkim-atps=neutral
X-Rspamd-Bar: -
X-Rspamd-Report: R_DKIM_REJECT(1) CTYPE_MIXED_BOGUS(1) MAILLIST(-0.2) BAYES_HAM(-2.976945) MIME_GOOD(-0.1) HAS_LIST_UNSUB(-0.01) DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.1)

Note the verification failure on the mm2.emwd.com host and R_DKIM_REJECT
as a spam indicator.

I don’t have time to look at it in detail but my hypothesis would be
that the mailing list software does not handle DKIM in a good way;
Russell Coker wrote about this some time ago:
https://doc.coker.com.au/internet/dkim-and-mailing-lists/

A quick glance showed that this is only a problem with some of the
mails.

Best
Arne

He headers of your mail state (on my end): Authentication-Results: mm2.emwd.com; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="J+THZxuw"; dkim-atps=neutral Original-Authentication-Results: mm2.emwd.com; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="J+THZxuw"; dkim-atps=neutral X-Rspamd-Bar: - X-Rspamd-Report: R_DKIM_REJECT(1) CTYPE_MIXED_BOGUS(1) MAILLIST(-0.2) BAYES_HAM(-2.976945) MIME_GOOD(-0.1) HAS_LIST_UNSUB(-0.01) DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.1) Note the verification failure on the mm2.emwd.com host and R_DKIM_REJECT as a spam indicator. I don’t have time to look at it in detail but my hypothesis would be that the mailing list software does not handle DKIM in a good way; Russell Coker wrote about this some time ago: https://doc.coker.com.au/internet/dkim-and-mailing-lists/ A quick glance showed that this is only a problem with some of the mails. Best Arne