J
jon
Tue, Oct 4, 2022 1:24 PM
Perhaps we need a document that we can sent out every time this topic
arises. At least that way, Michael does not need to write it all down
for the 10th time.
Jon
On 10/4/2022 2:48 AM, Michael Marx wrote:
In the beginning was The Mailing-list.
This was the support contact for the /OpenSCAD User community/, to the
/OpenSCAD Developer community/.
It had a Mailing-list history archive.
Slightly before my time the private server hosting it lost a disc and
said history was history.
As I understand it, this lead to finding a hosted provider and
Nabble's price was right.
So a Forum was born, basically as a bonus from the new Mailing-list
archive.
The Developer community kept their Mailing-list and any Forum posts
were nicely routed to them, they could reply to the User community.
I actually preferred the Nabble Forum and helped out with
lost/orphaned/wayward posts.
That then lead to getting invited as a formal Admin and I took over
much of the Nabble support.
Including signing up to Nabble's Support Forum and working with their
Admin. They were usually helpful.
Then, at practically no notice, they killed the email interface,
basically to cut costs.
Hmmm, starting to turn into a novel...
Anyway see attached for some of the Nabble history and the owners
(Franklin) attitude.
So as Jordan pointed out, it is probably the audience on the
Mailing-list that you want access to.
That is the Development community, most (I haven't done a survey*, but
certainly the core Developers) like emails.
They don't have the time, or desire to regularly logon to a Forum and
scan for anything they have not seen.
That is the purpose of this environment, an avenue to the Developers,
it has the incidental benefit of /Community support/.
But there are many other Community support arenas available.
*Luckily Jordan did a nice job recently, summarising his survey, and
listing these alternatives. Please see attached.
I do have on my bucket list, finding a Mailing-list integrated Forum,
as I mentioned I too do like them.
But right now there are tooo many other things happening in my & the
wider world. Same for the other Admins.
If anyone has suggestions that are dirt cheap & easy to administer,
let me know. No promises.
MichaelAtOz
OpenSCAD Admin.
p.s. I doubt anyone noticed, but I recently made the old Forum static,
no post or replies can be done and no new registrations. I have copied
it for archival.
Nabble will likely want to delete it in the future.
p.p.s. As this topic erupts from time to time then goes around the
same circles, I'm likely to ignore another flare-up.
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 19:25
To: 'OpenSCAD general discussion'
Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: Forum
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Marx > > Sent: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 15:14
To: 'OpenSCAD general discussion'
Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: Forum
Short answer, as I'm leaving in 30 seconds, no, that forum is dead.
Long answer a bit later today.
-----Original Message-----
From: andrew goh > > > Sent: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 14:28
Subject: [OpenSCAD] Forum
I'm just thinking aloud. Can the discussions be on
rather than here in a mailing list?
As the topics are rather varied, a web based forum is a more appropriate
format than do this mailing list.
'mailing list integration' may after all not be necessary, i.e. the
forum and this mailing list can go separate ways.
Perhaps we need a document that we can sent out every time this topic
arises. At least that way, Michael does not need to write it all down
for the 10th time.
Jon
On 10/4/2022 2:48 AM, Michael Marx wrote:
>
> In the beginning was The Mailing-list.
>
> This was the support contact for the /OpenSCAD User community/, to the
> /OpenSCAD Developer community/.
>
> It had a Mailing-list history archive.
>
> Slightly before my time the private server hosting it lost a disc and
> said history was history.
>
> As I understand it, this lead to finding a hosted provider and
> Nabble's price was right.
>
> So a Forum was born, basically as a bonus from the new Mailing-list
> archive.
>
> The Developer community kept their Mailing-list and any Forum posts
> were nicely routed to them, they could reply to the User community.
>
> I actually preferred the Nabble Forum and helped out with
> lost/orphaned/wayward posts.
>
> That then lead to getting invited as a formal Admin and I took over
> much of the Nabble support.
>
> Including signing up to Nabble's Support Forum and working with their
> Admin. They were usually helpful.
>
> Then, at practically no notice, they killed the email interface,
> basically to cut costs.
>
> Hmmm, starting to turn into a novel...
>
> Anyway see attached for some of the Nabble history and the owners
> (Franklin) attitude.
>
> So as Jordan pointed out, it is probably the audience on the
> Mailing-list that you want access to.
>
> That is the Development community, most (I haven't done a survey*, but
> certainly the core Developers) like emails.
>
> They don't have the time, or desire to regularly logon to a Forum and
> scan for anything they have not seen.
>
> That is the purpose of this environment, an avenue to the Developers,
> it has the incidental benefit of /Community support/.
>
> But there are many other Community support arenas available.
>
> *Luckily Jordan did a nice job recently, summarising his survey, and
> listing these alternatives. Please see attached.
>
> I do have on my bucket list, finding a Mailing-list integrated Forum,
> as I mentioned I too do like them.
>
> But right now there are tooo many other things happening in my & the
> wider world. Same for the other Admins.
>
> If anyone has suggestions that are dirt cheap & easy to administer,
> let me know. No promises.
>
> MichaelAtOz
>
> OpenSCAD Admin.
>
> p.s. I doubt anyone noticed, but I recently made the old Forum static,
>
> no post or replies can be done and no new registrations. I have copied
> it for archival.
>
> Nabble will likely want to delete it in the future.
>
> p.p.s. As this topic erupts from time to time then goes around the
> same circles, I'm likely to ignore another flare-up.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
>
> > From: Michael Marx
>
> > Sent: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 19:25
>
> > To: 'OpenSCAD general discussion'
>
> > Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: Forum
>
> >
>
> > Make that tomorrow...
>
> >
>
> > > -----Original Message-----
>
> > > From: Michael Marx > > Sent: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 15:14
>
> > > To: 'OpenSCAD general discussion'
>
> > > Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: Forum
>
> > >
>
> > > Andrew,
>
> > >
>
> > > Short answer, as I'm leaving in 30 seconds, no, that forum is dead.
>
> > >
>
> > > Long answer a bit later today.
>
> > >
>
> > > MichaelAtOz
>
> > >
>
> > > > -----Original Message-----
>
> > > > From: andrew goh > > > Sent: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 14:28
>
> > > > To: discuss@lists.openscad.org
>
> > > > Subject: [OpenSCAD] Forum
>
> > > >
>
> > > > Hi All, Admins,
>
> > > >
>
> > > > I'm just thinking aloud. Can the discussions be on
>
> > > >
>
> > > > https://forum.openscad.org/
>
> > > >
>
> > > > rather than here in a mailing list?
>
> > > > As the topics are rather varied, a web based forum is a more appropriate
>
> > > > format than do this mailing list.
>
> > > >
>
> > > > 'mailing list integration' may after all not be necessary, i.e. the
>
> > > > forum and this mailing list can go separate ways.
>
> > > >
>
> > > > Thanks,
>
> > > > Andrew
>
>
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Raymond West
Tue, Oct 4, 2022 2:23 PM
A mailing list, with a decent client works fine. It is easy enough to
filter/group emails where you want, and if you prefix your off topic
subject title with 'OT' (or "OT" maybe 'OT' 😉) then I see no
problem with going a bit away from openscad, e.g. into the the making of
the final object.
The advantage of a mailing list for me, as I keep most emails, is that
if necessary i can search back through relatively easily if I remember a
few key words, and I've emails back to 1998 in one of my lists/user
groups. Fora do not seem to attract a large proportion of dedicated
people, and unless heavily moderated descend into something that is of
little real use. I have found, having started, and administered and
moderated a few, that a majority of the members just ask a question or
two, and only a few stay around long enough to answer others, generally
because the admission fee is set too low. The general attitude of some
epitomises the millennial mindset, imnsho.
A mailing list, with a decent client works fine. It is easy enough to
filter/group emails where you want, and if you prefix your off topic
subject title with 'OT' (or "OT" maybe \'OT\' 😉) then I see no
problem with going a bit away from openscad, e.g. into the the making of
the final object.
The advantage of a mailing list for me, as I keep most emails, is that
if necessary i can search back through relatively easily if I remember a
few key words, and I've emails back to 1998 in one of my lists/user
groups. Fora do not seem to attract a large proportion of dedicated
people, and unless heavily moderated descend into something that is of
little real use. I have found, having started, and administered and
moderated a few, that a majority of the members just ask a question or
two, and only a few stay around long enough to answer others, generally
because the admission fee is set too low. The general attitude of some
epitomises the millennial mindset, imnsho.
WL
William Lugg
Tue, Oct 4, 2022 2:42 PM
FWIW, I'm on the FreeCAD forum and I can tell you with certainty that if
you post a question as in your example in the "How to Use FreeCAD"
forum, you'll be chided for the off-topic post as well. Now there is an
Open Discussion forum there that might entertain a question like that,
but I'm not sure. My general experience is that topical forums in
general want the users to stay on topic, just as this list does.
Reddit and Thingiverse might be a better option for what you're looking for.
Just my $0.02.
Bill Lugg
On 10/4/22 05:43, edmund ronald wrote:
You see? I don’t want to be told by somebody else whether I am allowed
to talk about my topic - eg how to make sure when shifting and uniting
two parts that the model will print and not be two pieces.
A forum allows people to be free to choose topics that can be safely
ignored; a mailing list generates cascades of people who don’t want
another person’s difficulties landing in their inbox.
E
On Tuesday, October 4, 2022, trygve@totallytrygve.com wrote:
Google Groups is a pain, and I stay away from anything to do with
them.
Third-party forum hosting is worse. It's either Tapatalk, or in
process of being bought out by them.
I had memberships on two different forums, with different
usernames because one is ever so slightly incredibly NSFW and I
didn't want anyone googling my usual username and coming across
that forum...
but because I used the same email on these accounts, Tapatalk
decided that I only had one user, and now the 'other named'
account no longer works.
I couldn't even log into it to change the email. I tried to change
the email on the one that still worked... yeah, that went well...
I no longer visit those forums.
3D printing...
Or CnC use is generally 'further along in the process' than what
OpenSCAD handles, so yeah, can't see a reason to discuss it here.
Please note that I currently have 3 FDM printers(my old Dreammaker
Overlord Pro, a 2015? vintage Delta printer, slowly being rebuilt,
a Wanhao i3 that recently suffered a mainboard injury. May or may
not get repaired, and my latest, a Creality Ender 3 MAX) and a
whole boxload of resin printers(iBox Nano, never worked... KUDO3D
Bean, wonderful, but plastic trays? waiting for me to adapt a
metal tray for it... an Anycubic Photon Zero... Not a hero with
that resolution. I got it cheap... real cheap... The Photon I got
afterwards has served me faithfully, though. and the latest, a
Phrozen Sonic Mini 8K is just 'blown out of your socks good)
I have a heavily rebuilt ShapeOKO CnC out in the garage.
I even cut pieces I design with OpenSCAD using it. But the
operation of it is way out of the scope of this list.
How to design something in the most efficient ws is a valid topic
here.
How to design it to be successfully printed on a 3D printer is
not. That's a general CAD topic, not an OpenSCAD topic.
Trygve
Norway
Den 4. oktober 2022 kl. 10.20.14 +02.00 skrev edmund ronald
<edmundronald@gmail.com>:
The short answer here is that although there are repeated
requests ways to recreate a forum exist, reasons are
systematically found why it is “impossible”. Like for instance
refusing to admit the existence of Google groups.
This allows the same people here to shut up any legitimate
conversation eg. about 3D printing by claiming it is off topic
for this list.
edmund
On Tuesday, October 4, 2022, Michael Marx <michael@marx.id.au> wrote:
In the beginning was The Mailing-list.
This was the support contact for the //OpenSCAD User
community//, to the //OpenSCAD Developer community//.
It had a Mailing-list history archive.
Slightly before my time the private server hosting it lost a
disc and said history was history.
As I understand it, this lead to finding a hosted provider
and Nabble's price was right.
So a Forum was born, basically as a bonus from the new
Mailing-list archive.
The Developer community kept their Mailing-list and any Forum
posts
were nicely routed to them, they could reply to the User
community.
I actually preferred the Nabble Forum and helped out with
lost/orphaned/wayward posts.
That then lead to getting invited as a formal Admin and I
took over much of the Nabble support.
Including signing up to Nabble's Support Forum and working
with their Admin. They were usually helpful.
Then, at practically no notice, they killed the email
interface, basically to cut costs.
Hmmm, starting to turn into a novel...
Anyway see attached for some of the Nabble history and the
owners (Franklin) attitude.
So as Jordan pointed out, it is probably the audience on the
Mailing-list that you want access to.
That is the Development community, most (I haven't done a
survey*, but certainly the core Developers) like emails.
They don't have the time, or desire to regularly logon to a
Forum and scan for anything they have not seen.
That is the purpose of this environment, an avenue to the
Developers, it has the incidental benefit of //Community
support//.
But there are many other Community support arenas available.
*Luckily Jordan did a nice job recently, summarising his
survey, and listing these alternatives. Please see attached.
I do have on my bucket list, finding a Mailing-list
integrated Forum, as I mentioned I too do like them.
But right now there are tooo many other things happening in
my & the wider world. Same for the other Admins.
If anyone has suggestions that are dirt cheap & easy to
administer, let me know. No promises.
MichaelAtOz
OpenSCAD Admin.
p.s. I doubt anyone noticed, but I recently made the old
Forum static,
no post or replies can be done and no new registrations. I
have copied it for archival.
Nabble will likely want to delete it in the future.
p.p.s. As this topic erupts from time to time then goes
around the same circles, I'm likely to ignore another flare-up.
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 19:25
To: 'OpenSCAD general discussion'
Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: Forum
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Marx > > Sent: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 15:14
To: 'OpenSCAD general discussion'
Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: Forum
Short answer, as I'm leaving in 30 seconds, no, that forum is dead.
Long answer a bit later today.
-----Original Message-----
From: andrew goh > > > Sent: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 14:28
Subject: [OpenSCAD] Forum
I'm just thinking aloud. Can the discussions be on
rather than here in a mailing list?
As the topics are rather varied, a web based forum is a more
format than do this mailing list.
'mailing list integration' may after all not be necessary,
forum and this mailing list can go separate ways.
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FWIW, I'm on the FreeCAD forum and I can tell you with certainty that if
you post a question as in your example in the "How to Use FreeCAD"
forum, you'll be chided for the off-topic post as well. Now there is an
Open Discussion forum there that might entertain a question like that,
but I'm not sure. My general experience is that topical forums in
general want the users to stay on topic, just as this list does.
Reddit and Thingiverse might be a better option for what you're looking for.
Just my $0.02.
Bill Lugg
On 10/4/22 05:43, edmund ronald wrote:
> You see? I don’t want to be told by somebody else whether I am allowed
> to talk about my topic - eg how to make sure when shifting and uniting
> two parts that the model will print and not be two pieces.
>
> A forum allows people to be free to choose topics that can be safely
> ignored; a mailing list generates cascades of people who don’t want
> another person’s difficulties landing in their inbox.
>
> E
>
> On Tuesday, October 4, 2022, <trygve@totallytrygve.com> wrote:
>
>
> Google Groups is a pain, and I stay away from anything to do with
> them.
> Third-party forum hosting is worse. It's either Tapatalk, or in
> process of being bought out by them.
>
> I had memberships on two different forums, with different
> usernames because one is ever so slightly incredibly NSFW and I
> didn't want anyone googling my usual username and coming across
> that forum...
> but because I used the same email on these accounts, Tapatalk
> decided that I only had one user, and now the 'other named'
> account no longer works.
> I couldn't even log into it to change the email. I tried to change
> the email on the one that still worked... yeah, that went well...
> I no longer visit those forums.
>
> 3D printing...
> Or CnC use is generally 'further along in the process' than what
> OpenSCAD handles, so yeah, can't see a reason to discuss it here.
> Please note that I currently have 3 FDM printers(my old Dreammaker
> Overlord Pro, a 2015? vintage Delta printer, slowly being rebuilt,
> a Wanhao i3 that recently suffered a mainboard injury. May or may
> not get repaired, and my latest, a Creality Ender 3 MAX) and a
> whole boxload of resin printers(iBox Nano, never worked... KUDO3D
> Bean, wonderful, but plastic trays? waiting for me to adapt a
> metal tray for it... an Anycubic Photon Zero... Not a hero with
> that resolution. I got it cheap... real cheap... The Photon I got
> afterwards has served me faithfully, though. and the latest, a
> Phrozen Sonic Mini 8K is just 'blown out of your socks good)
> I have a heavily rebuilt ShapeOKO CnC out in the garage.
> I even cut pieces I design with OpenSCAD using it. But the
> operation of it is way out of the scope of this list.
>
> How to design something in the most efficient ws is a valid topic
> here.
> How to design it to be successfully printed on a 3D printer is
> not. That's a general CAD topic, not an OpenSCAD topic.
>
> Trygve
> Norway
>
>
>
> Den 4. oktober 2022 kl. 10.20.14 +02.00 skrev edmund ronald
> <edmundronald@gmail.com>:
>> The short answer here is that although there are repeated
>> requests ways to recreate a forum exist, reasons are
>> systematically found why it is “impossible”. Like for instance
>> refusing to admit the existence of Google groups.
>>
>> This allows the same people here to shut up any legitimate
>> conversation eg. about 3D printing by claiming it is off topic
>> for this list.
>>
>> edmund
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 4, 2022, Michael Marx <michael@marx.id.au> wrote:
>>
>>
>> In the beginning was The Mailing-list.
>>
>> This was the support contact for the //OpenSCAD User
>> community//, to the //OpenSCAD Developer community//.
>>
>> It had a Mailing-list history archive.
>>
>>
>> Slightly before my time the private server hosting it lost a
>> disc and said history was history.
>>
>> As I understand it, this lead to finding a hosted provider
>> and Nabble's price was right.
>>
>>
>> So a Forum was born, basically as a bonus from the new
>> Mailing-list archive.
>>
>> The Developer community kept their Mailing-list and any Forum
>> posts
>> were nicely routed to them, they could reply to the User
>> community.
>>
>>
>> I actually preferred the Nabble Forum and helped out with
>> lost/orphaned/wayward posts.
>>
>> That then lead to getting invited as a formal Admin and I
>> took over much of the Nabble support.
>>
>>
>> Including signing up to Nabble's Support Forum and working
>> with their Admin. They were usually helpful.
>>
>>
>> Then, at practically no notice, they killed the email
>> interface, basically to cut costs.
>>
>> Hmmm, starting to turn into a novel...
>>
>> Anyway see attached for some of the Nabble history and the
>> owners (Franklin) attitude.
>>
>>
>> So as Jordan pointed out, it is probably the audience on the
>> Mailing-list that you want access to.
>>
>> That is the Development community, most (I haven't done a
>> survey*, but certainly the core Developers) like emails.
>>
>> They don't have the time, or desire to regularly logon to a
>> Forum and scan for anything they have not seen.
>>
>>
>> That is the purpose of this environment, an avenue to the
>> Developers, it has the incidental benefit of //Community
>> support//.
>>
>>
>> But there are many other Community support arenas available.
>>
>> *Luckily Jordan did a nice job recently, summarising his
>> survey, and listing these alternatives. Please see attached.
>>
>>
>> I do have on my bucket list, finding a Mailing-list
>> integrated Forum, as I mentioned I too do like them.
>>
>> But right now there are tooo many other things happening in
>> my & the wider world. Same for the other Admins.
>>
>>
>> If anyone has suggestions that are dirt cheap & easy to
>> administer, let me know. No promises.
>>
>>
>>
>> MichaelAtOz
>>
>> OpenSCAD Admin.
>>
>>
>> p.s. I doubt anyone noticed, but I recently made the old
>> Forum static,
>>
>> no post or replies can be done and no new registrations. I
>> have copied it for archival.
>>
>> Nabble will likely want to delete it in the future.
>>
>>
>> p.p.s. As this topic erupts from time to time then goes
>> around the same circles, I'm likely to ignore another flare-up.
>>
>>
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>>
>> > From: Michael Marx
>>
>> > Sent: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 19:25
>>
>> > To: 'OpenSCAD general discussion'
>>
>> > Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: Forum
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Make that tomorrow...
>>
>> >
>>
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>>
>> > > From: Michael Marx > > Sent: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 15:14
>>
>> > > To: 'OpenSCAD general discussion'
>>
>> > > Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: Forum
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > > Andrew,
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > > Short answer, as I'm leaving in 30 seconds, no, that forum is dead.
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > > Long answer a bit later today.
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > > MichaelAtOz
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>>
>> > > > From: andrew goh > > > Sent: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 14:28
>>
>> > > > To: discuss@lists.openscad.org
>>
>> > > > Subject: [OpenSCAD] Forum
>>
>> > > >
>>
>> > > > Hi All, Admins,
>>
>> > > >
>>
>> > > > I'm just thinking aloud. Can the discussions be on
>>
>> > > >
>>
>> > > > https://forum.openscad.org/
>>
>> > > >
>>
>> > > > rather than here in a mailing list?
>>
>> > > > As the topics are rather varied, a web based forum is a more
>> appropriate
>>
>> > > > format than do this mailing list.
>>
>> > > >
>>
>> > > > 'mailing list integration' may after all not be necessary,
>> i.e. the
>>
>> > > > forum and this mailing list can go separate ways.
>>
>> > > >
>>
>> > > > Thanks,
>>
>> > > > Andrew
>>
>>
>>
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John Heim
Tue, Oct 4, 2022 4:34 PM
Don't you think you are like a guy who goes to a game at Lambeau Field
and then complains that everyone there is a Packers fan?
On 10/4/22 06:43, edmund ronald wrote:
You see? I don’t want to be told by somebody else whether I am allowed
to talk about my topic - eg how to make sure when shifting and uniting
two parts that the model will print and not be two pieces.
A forum allows people to be free to choose topics that can be safely
ignored; a mailing list generates cascades of people who don’t want
another person’s difficulties landing in their inbox.
E
On Tuesday, October 4, 2022, trygve@totallytrygve.com wrote:
Google Groups is a pain, and I stay away from anything to do with
them.
Third-party forum hosting is worse. It's either Tapatalk, or in
process of being bought out by them.
I had memberships on two different forums, with different
usernames because one is ever so slightly incredibly NSFW and I
didn't want anyone googling my usual username and coming across
that forum...
but because I used the same email on these accounts, Tapatalk
decided that I only had one user, and now the 'other named'
account no longer works.
I couldn't even log into it to change the email. I tried to change
the email on the one that still worked... yeah, that went well...
I no longer visit those forums.
3D printing...
Or CnC use is generally 'further along in the process' than what
OpenSCAD handles, so yeah, can't see a reason to discuss it here.
Please note that I currently have 3 FDM printers(my old Dreammaker
Overlord Pro, a 2015? vintage Delta printer, slowly being rebuilt,
a Wanhao i3 that recently suffered a mainboard injury. May or may
not get repaired, and my latest, a Creality Ender 3 MAX) and a
whole boxload of resin printers(iBox Nano, never worked... KUDO3D
Bean, wonderful, but plastic trays? waiting for me to adapt a
metal tray for it... an Anycubic Photon Zero... Not a hero with
that resolution. I got it cheap... real cheap... The Photon I got
afterwards has served me faithfully, though. and the latest, a
Phrozen Sonic Mini 8K is just 'blown out of your socks good)
I have a heavily rebuilt ShapeOKO CnC out in the garage.
I even cut pieces I design with OpenSCAD using it. But the
operation of it is way out of the scope of this list.
How to design something in the most efficient ws is a valid topic
here.
How to design it to be successfully printed on a 3D printer is
not. That's a general CAD topic, not an OpenSCAD topic.
Trygve
Norway
Den 4. oktober 2022 kl. 10.20.14 +02.00 skrev edmund ronald
<edmundronald@gmail.com>:
The short answer here is that although there are repeated
requests ways to recreate a forum exist, reasons are
systematically found why it is “impossible”. Like for instance
refusing to admit the existence of Google groups.
This allows the same people here to shut up any legitimate
conversation eg. about 3D printing by claiming it is off topic
for this list.
edmund
On Tuesday, October 4, 2022, Michael Marx <michael@marx.id.au> wrote:
In the beginning was The Mailing-list.
This was the support contact for the //OpenSCAD User
community//, to the //OpenSCAD Developer community//.
It had a Mailing-list history archive.
Slightly before my time the private server hosting it lost a
disc and said history was history.
As I understand it, this lead to finding a hosted provider
and Nabble's price was right.
So a Forum was born, basically as a bonus from the new
Mailing-list archive.
The Developer community kept their Mailing-list and any Forum
posts
were nicely routed to them, they could reply to the User
community.
I actually preferred the Nabble Forum and helped out with
lost/orphaned/wayward posts.
That then lead to getting invited as a formal Admin and I
took over much of the Nabble support.
Including signing up to Nabble's Support Forum and working
with their Admin. They were usually helpful.
Then, at practically no notice, they killed the email
interface, basically to cut costs.
Hmmm, starting to turn into a novel...
Anyway see attached for some of the Nabble history and the
owners (Franklin) attitude.
So as Jordan pointed out, it is probably the audience on the
Mailing-list that you want access to.
That is the Development community, most (I haven't done a
survey*, but certainly the core Developers) like emails.
They don't have the time, or desire to regularly logon to a
Forum and scan for anything they have not seen.
That is the purpose of this environment, an avenue to the
Developers, it has the incidental benefit of //Community
support//.
But there are many other Community support arenas available.
*Luckily Jordan did a nice job recently, summarising his
survey, and listing these alternatives. Please see attached.
I do have on my bucket list, finding a Mailing-list
integrated Forum, as I mentioned I too do like them.
But right now there are tooo many other things happening in
my & the wider world. Same for the other Admins.
If anyone has suggestions that are dirt cheap & easy to
administer, let me know. No promises.
MichaelAtOz
OpenSCAD Admin.
p.s. I doubt anyone noticed, but I recently made the old
Forum static,
no post or replies can be done and no new registrations. I
have copied it for archival.
Nabble will likely want to delete it in the future.
p.p.s. As this topic erupts from time to time then goes
around the same circles, I'm likely to ignore another flare-up.
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 19:25
To: 'OpenSCAD general discussion'
Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: Forum
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Marx > > Sent: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 15:14
To: 'OpenSCAD general discussion'
Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: Forum
Short answer, as I'm leaving in 30 seconds, no, that forum is dead.
Long answer a bit later today.
-----Original Message-----
From: andrew goh > > > Sent: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 14:28
Subject: [OpenSCAD] Forum
I'm just thinking aloud. Can the discussions be on
rather than here in a mailing list?
As the topics are rather varied, a web based forum is a more
format than do this mailing list.
'mailing list integration' may after all not be necessary, i.e. the
forum and this mailing list can go separate ways.
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On 10/4/22 06:43, edmund ronald wrote:
> You see? I don’t want to be told by somebody else whether I am allowed
> to talk about my topic - eg how to make sure when shifting and uniting
> two parts that the model will print and not be two pieces.
>
> A forum allows people to be free to choose topics that can be safely
> ignored; a mailing list generates cascades of people who don’t want
> another person’s difficulties landing in their inbox.
>
> E
>
> On Tuesday, October 4, 2022, <trygve@totallytrygve.com> wrote:
>
>
> Google Groups is a pain, and I stay away from anything to do with
> them.
> Third-party forum hosting is worse. It's either Tapatalk, or in
> process of being bought out by them.
>
> I had memberships on two different forums, with different
> usernames because one is ever so slightly incredibly NSFW and I
> didn't want anyone googling my usual username and coming across
> that forum...
> but because I used the same email on these accounts, Tapatalk
> decided that I only had one user, and now the 'other named'
> account no longer works.
> I couldn't even log into it to change the email. I tried to change
> the email on the one that still worked... yeah, that went well...
> I no longer visit those forums.
>
> 3D printing...
> Or CnC use is generally 'further along in the process' than what
> OpenSCAD handles, so yeah, can't see a reason to discuss it here.
> Please note that I currently have 3 FDM printers(my old Dreammaker
> Overlord Pro, a 2015? vintage Delta printer, slowly being rebuilt,
> a Wanhao i3 that recently suffered a mainboard injury. May or may
> not get repaired, and my latest, a Creality Ender 3 MAX) and a
> whole boxload of resin printers(iBox Nano, never worked... KUDO3D
> Bean, wonderful, but plastic trays? waiting for me to adapt a
> metal tray for it... an Anycubic Photon Zero... Not a hero with
> that resolution. I got it cheap... real cheap... The Photon I got
> afterwards has served me faithfully, though. and the latest, a
> Phrozen Sonic Mini 8K is just 'blown out of your socks good)
> I have a heavily rebuilt ShapeOKO CnC out in the garage.
> I even cut pieces I design with OpenSCAD using it. But the
> operation of it is way out of the scope of this list.
>
> How to design something in the most efficient ws is a valid topic
> here.
> How to design it to be successfully printed on a 3D printer is
> not. That's a general CAD topic, not an OpenSCAD topic.
>
> Trygve
> Norway
>
>
>
> Den 4. oktober 2022 kl. 10.20.14 +02.00 skrev edmund ronald
> <edmundronald@gmail.com>:
>> The short answer here is that although there are repeated
>> requests ways to recreate a forum exist, reasons are
>> systematically found why it is “impossible”. Like for instance
>> refusing to admit the existence of Google groups.
>>
>> This allows the same people here to shut up any legitimate
>> conversation eg. about 3D printing by claiming it is off topic
>> for this list.
>>
>> edmund
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 4, 2022, Michael Marx <michael@marx.id.au> wrote:
>>
>>
>> In the beginning was The Mailing-list.
>>
>> This was the support contact for the //OpenSCAD User
>> community//, to the //OpenSCAD Developer community//.
>>
>> It had a Mailing-list history archive.
>>
>>
>> Slightly before my time the private server hosting it lost a
>> disc and said history was history.
>>
>> As I understand it, this lead to finding a hosted provider
>> and Nabble's price was right.
>>
>>
>> So a Forum was born, basically as a bonus from the new
>> Mailing-list archive.
>>
>> The Developer community kept their Mailing-list and any Forum
>> posts
>> were nicely routed to them, they could reply to the User
>> community.
>>
>>
>> I actually preferred the Nabble Forum and helped out with
>> lost/orphaned/wayward posts.
>>
>> That then lead to getting invited as a formal Admin and I
>> took over much of the Nabble support.
>>
>>
>> Including signing up to Nabble's Support Forum and working
>> with their Admin. They were usually helpful.
>>
>>
>> Then, at practically no notice, they killed the email
>> interface, basically to cut costs.
>>
>> Hmmm, starting to turn into a novel...
>>
>> Anyway see attached for some of the Nabble history and the
>> owners (Franklin) attitude.
>>
>>
>> So as Jordan pointed out, it is probably the audience on the
>> Mailing-list that you want access to.
>>
>> That is the Development community, most (I haven't done a
>> survey*, but certainly the core Developers) like emails.
>>
>> They don't have the time, or desire to regularly logon to a
>> Forum and scan for anything they have not seen.
>>
>>
>> That is the purpose of this environment, an avenue to the
>> Developers, it has the incidental benefit of //Community
>> support//.
>>
>>
>> But there are many other Community support arenas available.
>>
>> *Luckily Jordan did a nice job recently, summarising his
>> survey, and listing these alternatives. Please see attached.
>>
>>
>> I do have on my bucket list, finding a Mailing-list
>> integrated Forum, as I mentioned I too do like them.
>>
>> But right now there are tooo many other things happening in
>> my & the wider world. Same for the other Admins.
>>
>>
>> If anyone has suggestions that are dirt cheap & easy to
>> administer, let me know. No promises.
>>
>>
>>
>> MichaelAtOz
>>
>> OpenSCAD Admin.
>>
>>
>> p.s. I doubt anyone noticed, but I recently made the old
>> Forum static,
>>
>> no post or replies can be done and no new registrations. I
>> have copied it for archival.
>>
>> Nabble will likely want to delete it in the future.
>>
>>
>> p.p.s. As this topic erupts from time to time then goes
>> around the same circles, I'm likely to ignore another flare-up.
>>
>>
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>>
>> > From: Michael Marx
>>
>> > Sent: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 19:25
>>
>> > To: 'OpenSCAD general discussion'
>>
>> > Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: Forum
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Make that tomorrow...
>>
>> >
>>
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>>
>> > > From: Michael Marx > > Sent: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 15:14
>>
>> > > To: 'OpenSCAD general discussion'
>>
>> > > Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: Forum
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > > Andrew,
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > > Short answer, as I'm leaving in 30 seconds, no, that forum is dead.
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > > Long answer a bit later today.
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > > MichaelAtOz
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>>
>> > > > From: andrew goh > > > Sent: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 14:28
>>
>> > > > To: discuss@lists.openscad.org
>>
>> > > > Subject: [OpenSCAD] Forum
>>
>> > > >
>>
>> > > > Hi All, Admins,
>>
>> > > >
>>
>> > > > I'm just thinking aloud. Can the discussions be on
>>
>> > > >
>>
>> > > > https://forum.openscad.org/
>>
>> > > >
>>
>> > > > rather than here in a mailing list?
>>
>> > > > As the topics are rather varied, a web based forum is a more
>> appropriate
>>
>> > > > format than do this mailing list.
>>
>> > > >
>>
>> > > > 'mailing list integration' may after all not be necessary, i.e. the
>>
>> > > > forum and this mailing list can go separate ways.
>>
>> > > >
>>
>> > > > Thanks,
>>
>> > > > Andrew
>>
>>
>>
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edmund ronald
Tue, Oct 4, 2022 4:36 PM
Actually I guess there’s something to be said for archiving a mailing list
in a cold folder, bypassing the inbox. But this runs the risk that when one
does by happenstance interact with an old thread people will again scream
OLD TOPIC. Which is actually exactly what’s happening here since in a forum
people would just add a post to the bottom of this useless monologathon.
On Tuesday, October 4, 2022, Raymond West raywest@raywest.com wrote:
A mailing list, with a decent client works fine. It is easy enough to
filter/group emails where you want, and if you prefix your off topic
subject title with 'OT' (or "OT" maybe 'OT' 😉) then I see no problem
with going a bit away from openscad, e.g. into the the making of the final
object.
The advantage of a mailing list for me, as I keep most emails, is that if
necessary i can search back through relatively easily if I remember a few
key words, and I've emails back to 1998 in one of my lists/user groups.
Fora do not seem to attract a large proportion of dedicated people, and
unless heavily moderated descend into something that is of little real use.
I have found, having started, and administered and moderated a few, that a
majority of the members just ask a question or two, and only a few stay
around long enough to answer others, generally because the admission fee is
set too low. The general attitude of some epitomises the millennial
mindset, imnsho.
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Actually I guess there’s something to be said for archiving a mailing list
in a cold folder, bypassing the inbox. But this runs the risk that when one
does by happenstance interact with an old thread people will again scream
OLD TOPIC. Which is actually exactly what’s happening here since in a forum
people would just add a post to the bottom of this useless monologathon.
On Tuesday, October 4, 2022, Raymond West <raywest@raywest.com> wrote:
> A mailing list, with a decent client works fine. It is easy enough to
> filter/group emails where you want, and if you prefix your off topic
> subject title with 'OT' (or "OT" maybe \'OT\' 😉) then I see no problem
> with going a bit away from openscad, e.g. into the the making of the final
> object.
>
> The advantage of a mailing list for me, as I keep most emails, is that if
> necessary i can search back through relatively easily if I remember a few
> key words, and I've emails back to 1998 in one of my lists/user groups.
> Fora do not seem to attract a large proportion of dedicated people, and
> unless heavily moderated descend into something that is of little real use.
> I have found, having started, and administered and moderated a few, that a
> majority of the members just ask a question or two, and only a few stay
> around long enough to answer others, generally because the admission fee is
> set too low. The general attitude of some epitomises the millennial
> mindset, imnsho.
>
>
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Jordan Brown
Tue, Oct 4, 2022 11:18 PM
If somebody were to set up a standalone forum, who is volunteering to
moderate it?
If somebody were to set up a standalone forum, who is volunteering to
moderate it?
JG
Joe Greene
Tue, Oct 4, 2022 11:52 PM
Not toention pay for the server power, upkeep, patching and maintenance
On Tue, Oct 4, 2022, 19:18 Jordan Brown openscad@jordan.maileater.net
wrote:
If somebody were to set up a standalone forum, who is volunteering to
moderate it?
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On Tue, Oct 4, 2022, 19:18 Jordan Brown <openscad@jordan.maileater.net>
wrote:
> If somebody were to set up a standalone forum, who is volunteering to
> moderate it?
>
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Jordan Brown
Wed, Oct 5, 2022 12:05 AM
On 10/4/2022 4:52 PM, Joe Greene wrote:
Not toention pay for the server power, upkeep, patching and maintenance
I was deliberately not mentioning that.
At the moment I could do the hosting gratis. I already carry a reseller
account with a cheapo hosting service; my only out-of-pocket cost would
be for domain registration. Some level of maintenance might be
necessary, but little more than occasionally clicking the "yes, go ahead
and update the application" button.
It offers phpBB, SMF, MyBB, AEF, Vanilla, PunBB, FluxBB, bbPress, XMB,
Phorum, ElkArte, Flarum, FUDforum, miniBB, Carbon Forum, LayerBB, my
little forum, Beehive, TangoBB, Unclassified NewsBoard, and Flatboard.
I'm not sure whether I want to keep that account forever, but I don't
have any immediate plans to get rid of it.
The hard parts would be (a) moderating it, and (b) attracting enough of
a community to keep it alive.
On 10/4/2022 4:52 PM, Joe Greene wrote:
> Not toention pay for the server power, upkeep, patching and maintenance
I was deliberately not mentioning that.
At the moment I could do the hosting gratis. I already carry a reseller
account with a cheapo hosting service; my only out-of-pocket cost would
be for domain registration. Some level of maintenance might be
necessary, but little more than occasionally clicking the "yes, go ahead
and update the application" button.
It offers phpBB, SMF, MyBB, AEF, Vanilla, PunBB, FluxBB, bbPress, XMB,
Phorum, ElkArte, Flarum, FUDforum, miniBB, Carbon Forum, LayerBB, my
little forum, Beehive, TangoBB, Unclassified NewsBoard, and Flatboard.
I'm not sure whether I want to keep that account forever, but I don't
have any immediate plans to get rid of it.
The hard parts would be (a) moderating it, and (b) attracting enough of
a community to keep it alive.
FH
Father Horton
Wed, Oct 5, 2022 2:27 AM
Hosting is cheap--a Happy Meal a month or so at major providers. The admin
headache would be the issue for me.
On Tue, Oct 4, 2022 at 7:06 PM Jordan Brown openscad@jordan.maileater.net
wrote:
On 10/4/2022 4:52 PM, Joe Greene wrote:
Not toention pay for the server power, upkeep, patching and maintenance
I was deliberately not mentioning that.
At the moment I could do the hosting gratis. I already carry a reseller
account with a cheapo hosting service; my only out-of-pocket cost would be
for domain registration. Some level of maintenance might be necessary, but
little more than occasionally clicking the "yes, go ahead and update the
application" button.
It offers phpBB, SMF, MyBB, AEF, Vanilla, PunBB, FluxBB, bbPress, XMB,
Phorum, ElkArte, Flarum, FUDforum, miniBB, Carbon Forum, LayerBB, my little
forum, Beehive, TangoBB, Unclassified NewsBoard, and Flatboard.
I'm not sure whether I want to keep that account forever, but I don't have
any immediate plans to get rid of it.
The hard parts would be (a) moderating it, and (b) attracting enough of a
community to keep it alive.
OpenSCAD mailing list
To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org
Hosting is cheap--a Happy Meal a month or so at major providers. The admin
headache would be the issue for me.
On Tue, Oct 4, 2022 at 7:06 PM Jordan Brown <openscad@jordan.maileater.net>
wrote:
> On 10/4/2022 4:52 PM, Joe Greene wrote:
>
> Not toention pay for the server power, upkeep, patching and maintenance
>
>
> I was deliberately not mentioning that.
>
> At the moment I could do the hosting gratis. I already carry a reseller
> account with a cheapo hosting service; my only out-of-pocket cost would be
> for domain registration. Some level of maintenance might be necessary, but
> little more than occasionally clicking the "yes, go ahead and update the
> application" button.
>
> It offers phpBB, SMF, MyBB, AEF, Vanilla, PunBB, FluxBB, bbPress, XMB,
> Phorum, ElkArte, Flarum, FUDforum, miniBB, Carbon Forum, LayerBB, my little
> forum, Beehive, TangoBB, Unclassified NewsBoard, and Flatboard.
>
> I'm not sure whether I want to keep that account forever, but I don't have
> any immediate plans to get rid of it.
>
> The hard parts would be (a) moderating it, and (b) attracting enough of a
> community to keep it alive.
>
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edmund ronald
Wed, Oct 5, 2022 7:36 AM
I agree it’s a headache. Could we use a dark corner of some existing forum?
I mean there are a lot of forums attached to computer news sites and we
could maybe open a section on one of those, they like traffic, we’d have
ads on the pages but that wouldn’t kill anyone
Edmund
On Wednesday, October 5, 2022, Father Horton fatherhorton@gmail.com wrote:
Hosting is cheap--a Happy Meal a month or so amajor providers. The admin
headache would be the issue for me.
On Tue, Oct 4, 2022 at 7:06 PM Jordan Brown openscad@jordan.maileater.net
wrote:
On 10/4/2022 4:52 PM, Joe Greene wrote:
Not toention pay for the server power, upkeep, patching and maintenance
I was deliberately not mentioning that.
At the moment I could do the hosting gratis. I already carry a reseller
account with a cheapo hosting service; my only out-of-pocket cost would be
for domain registration. Some level of maintenance might be necessary, but
little more than occasionally clicking the "yes, go ahead and update the
application" button.
It offers phpBB, SMF, MyBB, AEF, Vanilla, PunBB, FluxBB, bbPress, XMB,
Phorum, ElkArte, Flarum, FUDforum, miniBB, Carbon Forum, LayerBB, my little
forum, Beehive, TangoBB, Unclassified NewsBoard, and Flatboard.
I'm not sure whether I want to keep that account forever, but I don't
have any immediate plans to get rid of it.
The hard parts would be (a) moderating it, and (b) attracting enough of a
community to keep it alive.
OpenSCAD mailing list
To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org
I agree it’s a headache. Could we use a dark corner of some existing forum?
I mean there are a lot of forums attached to computer news sites and we
could maybe open a section on one of those, they like traffic, we’d have
ads on the pages but that wouldn’t kill anyone
Edmund
On Wednesday, October 5, 2022, Father Horton <fatherhorton@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hosting is cheap--a Happy Meal a month or so amajor providers. The admin
> headache would be the issue for me.
>
> On Tue, Oct 4, 2022 at 7:06 PM Jordan Brown <openscad@jordan.maileater.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On 10/4/2022 4:52 PM, Joe Greene wrote:
>>
>> Not toention pay for the server power, upkeep, patching and maintenance
>>
>>
>> I was deliberately not mentioning that.
>>
>> At the moment I could do the hosting gratis. I already carry a reseller
>> account with a cheapo hosting service; my only out-of-pocket cost would be
>> for domain registration. Some level of maintenance might be necessary, but
>> little more than occasionally clicking the "yes, go ahead and update the
>> application" button.
>>
>> It offers phpBB, SMF, MyBB, AEF, Vanilla, PunBB, FluxBB, bbPress, XMB,
>> Phorum, ElkArte, Flarum, FUDforum, miniBB, Carbon Forum, LayerBB, my little
>> forum, Beehive, TangoBB, Unclassified NewsBoard, and Flatboard.
>>
>> I'm not sure whether I want to keep that account forever, but I don't
>> have any immediate plans to get rid of it.
>>
>> The hard parts would be (a) moderating it, and (b) attracting enough of a
>> community to keep it alive.
>>
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