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jon
Fri, May 15, 2020 1:08 PM

I printed a 5/16" shaft in PLA and threaded it at 18 TPI with a die,
successfully.  I then printed a similar shaft using NinjaTech's Cheetah,
and my attempts to put threads on that shaft have been laughable.  It is
a tough and flexible material, which is why I like it, but threading it
is unlikely.

Has anyone had any success printing threads directly at resolutions like
this on a printer with an 0.4 mm nozzle?

Thanks!

Jon

I printed a 5/16" shaft in PLA and threaded it at 18 TPI with a die, successfully.  I then printed a similar shaft using NinjaTech's Cheetah, and my attempts to put threads on that shaft have been laughable.  It is a tough and flexible material, which is why I like it, but threading it is unlikely. Has anyone had any success printing threads directly at resolutions like this on a printer with an 0.4 mm nozzle? Thanks! Jon
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Alex Gibson
Fri, May 15, 2020 1:13 PM

Hi Jon,

I'm not at all saying this would work - but if you already have the shaft printed in TPI/cheetah, would you be up for an experiment?

I would be interested to see if putting both the shaft and the die in the freezer overnight and repeating the attempt rapidly on removal might yield a better, if not 'good' result?

Cheers,

Alex Gibson

admg consulting

edumaker limited

• Project management
• Operations & Process improvement
• 3D Printing

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Subject: [OpenSCAD] printing 5/16-18 threads

I printed a 5/16" shaft in PLA and threaded it at 18 TPI with a die,
successfully.  I then printed a similar shaft using NinjaTech's Cheetah,
and my attempts to put threads on that shaft have been laughable.  It is
a tough and flexible material, which is why I like it, but threading it
is unlikely.

Has anyone had any success printing threads directly at resolutions like
this on a printer with an 0.4 mm nozzle?

Thanks!

Jon


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Hi Jon, I'm not at all saying this would work - but if you already have the shaft printed in TPI/cheetah, would you be up for an experiment? I would be interested to see if putting both the shaft and the die in the freezer overnight and repeating the attempt rapidly on removal might yield a better, if not 'good' result? Cheers, Alex Gibson admg consulting edumaker limited • Project management • Operations & Process improvement • 3D Printing -----Original Message----- From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-bounces@lists.openscad.org] On Behalf Of jon Sent: 15 May 2020 14:08 To: OpenSCAD general discussion Subject: [OpenSCAD] printing 5/16-18 threads I printed a 5/16" shaft in PLA and threaded it at 18 TPI with a die, successfully. I then printed a similar shaft using NinjaTech's Cheetah, and my attempts to put threads on that shaft have been laughable. It is a tough and flexible material, which is why I like it, but threading it is unlikely. Has anyone had any success printing threads directly at resolutions like this on a printer with an 0.4 mm nozzle? Thanks! Jon _______________________________________________ OpenSCAD mailing list Discuss@lists.openscad.org http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com
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nop head
Fri, May 15, 2020 4:31 PM

I have printed threaded containers without problems other than the first
item I printed with my own thread library came out with a left hand thread,
doh! East to fix.

I have also printed this https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:23030, which has
quite small threads, without problems.

On Fri, 15 May 2020 at 14:16, Alex Gibson alex@alexgibson.net wrote:

Hi Jon,

I'm not at all saying this would work - but if you already have the shaft
printed in TPI/cheetah, would you be up for an experiment?

I would be interested to see if putting both the shaft and the die in the
freezer overnight and repeating the attempt rapidly on removal might yield
a better, if not 'good' result?

Cheers,

Alex Gibson

admg consulting

edumaker limited

• Project management
• Operations & Process improvement
• 3D Printing

-----Original Message-----
From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-bounces@lists.openscad.org] On Behalf Of jon
Sent: 15 May 2020 14:08
To: OpenSCAD general discussion
Subject: [OpenSCAD] printing 5/16-18 threads

I printed a 5/16" shaft in PLA and threaded it at 18 TPI with a die,
successfully.  I then printed a similar shaft using NinjaTech's Cheetah,
and my attempts to put threads on that shaft have been laughable.  It is
a tough and flexible material, which is why I like it, but threading it
is unlikely.

Has anyone had any success printing threads directly at resolutions like
this on a printer with an 0.4 mm nozzle?

Thanks!

Jon


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I have printed threaded containers without problems other than the first item I printed with my own thread library came out with a left hand thread, doh! East to fix. I have also printed this https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:23030, which has quite small threads, without problems. On Fri, 15 May 2020 at 14:16, Alex Gibson <alex@alexgibson.net> wrote: > Hi Jon, > > I'm not at all saying this would work - but if you already have the shaft > printed in TPI/cheetah, would you be up for an experiment? > > I would be interested to see if putting both the shaft and the die in the > freezer overnight and repeating the attempt rapidly on removal might yield > a better, if not 'good' result? > > Cheers, > > Alex Gibson > > admg consulting > > edumaker limited > > • Project management > • Operations & Process improvement > • 3D Printing > > -----Original Message----- > From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-bounces@lists.openscad.org] On Behalf Of jon > Sent: 15 May 2020 14:08 > To: OpenSCAD general discussion > Subject: [OpenSCAD] printing 5/16-18 threads > > I printed a 5/16" shaft in PLA and threaded it at 18 TPI with a die, > successfully. I then printed a similar shaft using NinjaTech's Cheetah, > and my attempts to put threads on that shaft have been laughable. It is > a tough and flexible material, which is why I like it, but threading it > is unlikely. > > Has anyone had any success printing threads directly at resolutions like > this on a printer with an 0.4 mm nozzle? > > Thanks! > > Jon > > > _______________________________________________ > OpenSCAD mailing list > Discuss@lists.openscad.org > http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > > _______________________________________________ > OpenSCAD mailing list > Discuss@lists.openscad.org > http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org >
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jon
Fri, May 15, 2020 4:51 PM

I froze a flexible part and managed to tap it, but attempts to use a die
on a rod have failed, even when frozen.

nop head: do you believe that print orientation is important when
printing threads?  That is, better with the rod horizontal or vertical? 
The vertical attempt failed, even on my Prusa MK3s

Jon

On 5/15/2020 12:31 PM, nop head wrote:

I have printed threaded containers without problems other than the
first item I printed with my own thread library came out with a left
hand thread, doh! East to fix.

I have also printed this
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:23030, which has quite small
threads, without problems.

On Fri, 15 May 2020 at 14:16, Alex Gibson <alex@alexgibson.net
mailto:alex@alexgibson.net> wrote:

 Hi Jon,

 I would be interested to see if putting both the shaft and the die
 in the freezer overnight and repeating the attempt rapidly on
 removal might yield a better, if not 'good' result?

 Cheers,

 Alex Gibson
I froze a flexible part and managed to tap it, but attempts to use a die on a rod have failed, even when frozen. nop head: do you believe that print orientation is important when printing threads?  That is, better with the rod horizontal or vertical?  The vertical attempt failed, even on my Prusa MK3s Jon On 5/15/2020 12:31 PM, nop head wrote: > I have printed threaded containers without problems other than the > first item I printed with my own thread library came out with a left > hand thread, doh! East to fix. > > I have also printed this > https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:23030, which has quite small > threads, without problems. > > On Fri, 15 May 2020 at 14:16, Alex Gibson <alex@alexgibson.net > <mailto:alex@alexgibson.net>> wrote: > > Hi Jon, > > I would be interested to see if putting both the shaft and the die > in the freezer overnight and repeating the attempt rapidly on > removal might yield a better, if not 'good' result? > > Cheers, > > Alex Gibson >
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adrianv
Fri, May 15, 2020 8:18 PM

I printed 1/4-20 threading on a Prusa MK3 in PLA without any problems.  They
worked great with each other and with matching metal hardware.  Printed
them with bolts pointing up into the air and nuts in the same direction,
lying flat.

How did your print attempt fail?  If you try to print threads horizontally
you're going to have a bunch of support problems.  It might work with
interrupted threads, I guess.

jon_bondy wrote

I froze a flexible part and managed to tap it, but attempts to use a die
on a rod have failed, even when frozen.

nop head: do you believe that print orientation is important when
printing threads?  That is, better with the rod horizontal or vertical? 
The vertical attempt failed, even on my Prusa MK3s

I printed 1/4-20 threading on a Prusa MK3 in PLA without any problems. They worked great with each other and with matching metal hardware. Printed them with bolts pointing up into the air and nuts in the same direction, lying flat. How did your print attempt fail? If you try to print threads horizontally you're going to have a bunch of support problems. It might work with interrupted threads, I guess. jon_bondy wrote > I froze a flexible part and managed to tap it, but attempts to use a die > on a rod have failed, even when frozen. > > nop head: do you believe that print orientation is important when > printing threads?  That is, better with the rod horizontal or vertical?  > The vertical attempt failed, even on my Prusa MK3s -- Sent from: http://forum.openscad.org/
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arnholm@arnholm.org
Fri, May 15, 2020 8:34 PM

On 2020-05-15 15:08, jon wrote:

I printed a 5/16" shaft in PLA and threaded it at 18 TPI with a die,
successfully.  I then printed a similar shaft using NinjaTech's
Cheetah, and my attempts to put threads on that shaft have been
laughable.  It is a tough and flexible material, which is why I like
it, but threading it is unlikely.

Has anyone had any success printing threads directly at resolutions
like this on a printer with an 0.4 mm nozzle?

I have no idea what 5/16" means, but I have once designed and printed
(PLA) a M16 bolt and matching nut as a test for printing threads. It was
printed with a 0.3 mm nozzle.

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1445033

Carsten Arnholm

On 2020-05-15 15:08, jon wrote: > I printed a 5/16" shaft in PLA and threaded it at 18 TPI with a die, > successfully.  I then printed a similar shaft using NinjaTech's > Cheetah, and my attempts to put threads on that shaft have been > laughable.  It is a tough and flexible material, which is why I like > it, but threading it is unlikely. > > Has anyone had any success printing threads directly at resolutions > like this on a printer with an 0.4 mm nozzle? I have no idea what 5/16" means, but I have once designed and printed (PLA) a M16 bolt and matching nut as a test for printing threads. It was printed with a 0.3 mm nozzle. https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1445033 Carsten Arnholm
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adrianv
Fri, May 15, 2020 8:56 PM

5/16" in the diameter of the bolt in inches and the 18 is the threads per
inch.  So roughly speaking it's about an M8-1.4 bolt.

cacb wrote

I have no idea what 5/16" means, but I have once designed and printed
(PLA) a M16 bolt and matching nut as a test for printing threads. It was
printed with a 0.3 mm nozzle.

5/16" in the diameter of the bolt in inches and the 18 is the threads per inch. So roughly speaking it's about an M8-1.4 bolt. cacb wrote > I have no idea what 5/16" means, but I have once designed and printed > (PLA) a M16 bolt and matching nut as a test for printing threads. It was > printed with a 0.3 mm nozzle. -- Sent from: http://forum.openscad.org/
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jon
Fri, May 15, 2020 9:19 PM

The first time I tried to print the rod vertically, using PLA and
without threads, it just snapped off.  This time, with threads, and with
flexible filament, it printed to completion (although the top of the rod
was wobbling all over the place towards the end of the print).  The
threads are recognizable, but there are enough small anomalies that it
is very difficult to screw into a nut.  I tried to clean it up with a
die, but there was too much resistance.

On 5/15/2020 4:18 PM, adrianv wrote:

I printed 1/4-20 threading on a Prusa MK3 in PLA without any problems.  They
worked great with each other and with matching metal hardware.  Printed
them with bolts pointing up into the air and nuts in the same direction,
lying flat.

How did your print attempt fail?  If you try to print threads horizontally
you're going to have a bunch of support problems.  It might work with
interrupted threads, I guess.

jon_bondy wrote

I froze a flexible part and managed to tap it, but attempts to use a die
on a rod have failed, even when frozen.

nop head: do you believe that print orientation is important when
printing threads?  That is, better with the rod horizontal or vertical?
The vertical attempt failed, even on my Prusa MK3s

The first time I tried to print the rod vertically, using PLA and without threads, it just snapped off.  This time, with threads, and with flexible filament, it printed to completion (although the top of the rod was wobbling all over the place towards the end of the print).  The threads are recognizable, but there are enough small anomalies that it is very difficult to screw into a nut.  I tried to clean it up with a die, but there was too much resistance. On 5/15/2020 4:18 PM, adrianv wrote: > I printed 1/4-20 threading on a Prusa MK3 in PLA without any problems. They > worked great with each other and with matching metal hardware. Printed > them with bolts pointing up into the air and nuts in the same direction, > lying flat. > > How did your print attempt fail? If you try to print threads horizontally > you're going to have a bunch of support problems. It might work with > interrupted threads, I guess. > > > jon_bondy wrote >> I froze a flexible part and managed to tap it, but attempts to use a die >> on a rod have failed, even when frozen. >> >> nop head: do you believe that print orientation is important when >> printing threads?  That is, better with the rod horizontal or vertical? >> The vertical attempt failed, even on my Prusa MK3s
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adrianv
Fri, May 15, 2020 9:29 PM

My bolts are short, 20 mm including the head.  But the threads are clean, no
need to do anything to get it to engage with other threaded parts other than
getting the tolerance right.  Seems like if you need a really tall rod you
might have to support it from the side with some support structure, maybe?
I don't know.  If you can't print a perfect 20mm long bolt then you need to
figure out what's wrong with your printer or filament.  (I use Prusament
for my prints.  Don't know how much difference that makes, but I have heard
that people experience more failures and problems with cheaper filament, and
I don't feel like messing around with that.)

There is the problem that a long tall rod will tend to be weak.  I can't
snap my 20mm bolts by hand, but I wouldn't expect them to be particularly
strong, so if strength is critical, you need to do something different.

jon_bondy wrote

The first time I tried to print the rod vertically, using PLA and
without threads, it just snapped off.  This time, with threads, and with
flexible filament, it printed to completion (although the top of the rod
was wobbling all over the place towards the end of the print).  The
threads are recognizable, but there are enough small anomalies that it
is very difficult to screw into a nut.  I tried to clean it up with a
die, but there was too much resistance.

On 5/15/2020 4:18 PM, adrianv wrote:

I printed 1/4-20 threading on a Prusa MK3 in PLA without any problems.
They
worked great with each other and with matching metal hardware.  Printed
them with bolts pointing up into the air and nuts in the same direction,
lying flat.

How did your print attempt fail?  If you try to print threads
horizontally
you're going to have a bunch of support problems.  It might work with
interrupted threads, I guess.

jon_bondy wrote

I froze a flexible part and managed to tap it, but attempts to use a die
on a rod have failed, even when frozen.

nop head: do you believe that print orientation is important when
printing threads?  That is, better with the rod horizontal or vertical?
The vertical attempt failed, even on my Prusa MK3s


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My bolts are short, 20 mm including the head. But the threads are clean, no need to do anything to get it to engage with other threaded parts other than getting the tolerance right. Seems like if you need a really tall rod you might have to support it from the side with some support structure, maybe? I don't know. If you can't print a perfect 20mm long bolt then you need to figure out what's wrong with your printer or filament. (I use Prusament for my prints. Don't know how much difference that makes, but I have heard that people experience more failures and problems with cheaper filament, and I don't feel like messing around with that.) There is the problem that a long tall rod will tend to be weak. I can't snap my 20mm bolts by hand, but I wouldn't expect them to be particularly strong, so if strength is critical, you need to do something different. jon_bondy wrote > The first time I tried to print the rod vertically, using PLA and > without threads, it just snapped off.  This time, with threads, and with > flexible filament, it printed to completion (although the top of the rod > was wobbling all over the place towards the end of the print).  The > threads are recognizable, but there are enough small anomalies that it > is very difficult to screw into a nut.  I tried to clean it up with a > die, but there was too much resistance. > > On 5/15/2020 4:18 PM, adrianv wrote: >> I printed 1/4-20 threading on a Prusa MK3 in PLA without any problems. >> They >> worked great with each other and with matching metal hardware. Printed >> them with bolts pointing up into the air and nuts in the same direction, >> lying flat. >> >> How did your print attempt fail? If you try to print threads >> horizontally >> you're going to have a bunch of support problems. It might work with >> interrupted threads, I guess. >> >> >> jon_bondy wrote >>> I froze a flexible part and managed to tap it, but attempts to use a die >>> on a rod have failed, even when frozen. >>> >>> nop head: do you believe that print orientation is important when >>> printing threads?  That is, better with the rod horizontal or vertical? >>> The vertical attempt failed, even on my Prusa MK3s > > _______________________________________________ > OpenSCAD mailing list > Discuss@.openscad > http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org -- Sent from: http://forum.openscad.org/
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nop head
Fri, May 15, 2020 10:13 PM

Why do you want a flexible bolt?

I often have problems with flexible prints wobbling. I think it needs a
dual filament machine so it can print a solid core that could be dissolved
out if the result needs to be flexible.

On Fri, 15 May 2020, 22:29 adrianv, avm4@cornell.edu wrote:

My bolts are short, 20 mm including the head.  But the threads are clean,
no
need to do anything to get it to engage with other threaded parts other
than
getting the tolerance right.  Seems like if you need a really tall rod you
might have to support it from the side with some support structure, maybe?
I don't know.  If you can't print a perfect 20mm long bolt then you need to
figure out what's wrong with your printer or filament.  (I use Prusament
for my prints.  Don't know how much difference that makes, but I have heard
that people experience more failures and problems with cheaper filament,
and
I don't feel like messing around with that.)

There is the problem that a long tall rod will tend to be weak.  I can't
snap my 20mm bolts by hand, but I wouldn't expect them to be particularly
strong, so if strength is critical, you need to do something different.

jon_bondy wrote

The first time I tried to print the rod vertically, using PLA and
without threads, it just snapped off.  This time, with threads, and with
flexible filament, it printed to completion (although the top of the rod
was wobbling all over the place towards the end of the print).  The
threads are recognizable, but there are enough small anomalies that it
is very difficult to screw into a nut.  I tried to clean it up with a
die, but there was too much resistance.

On 5/15/2020 4:18 PM, adrianv wrote:

I printed 1/4-20 threading on a Prusa MK3 in PLA without any problems.
They
worked great with each other and with matching metal hardware.  Printed
them with bolts pointing up into the air and nuts in the same direction,
lying flat.

How did your print attempt fail?  If you try to print threads
horizontally
you're going to have a bunch of support problems.  It might work with
interrupted threads, I guess.

jon_bondy wrote

I froze a flexible part and managed to tap it, but attempts to use a

die

on a rod have failed, even when frozen.

nop head: do you believe that print orientation is important when
printing threads?  That is, better with the rod horizontal or vertical?
The vertical attempt failed, even on my Prusa MK3s


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Why do you want a flexible bolt? I often have problems with flexible prints wobbling. I think it needs a dual filament machine so it can print a solid core that could be dissolved out if the result needs to be flexible. On Fri, 15 May 2020, 22:29 adrianv, <avm4@cornell.edu> wrote: > My bolts are short, 20 mm including the head. But the threads are clean, > no > need to do anything to get it to engage with other threaded parts other > than > getting the tolerance right. Seems like if you need a really tall rod you > might have to support it from the side with some support structure, maybe? > I don't know. If you can't print a perfect 20mm long bolt then you need to > figure out what's wrong with your printer or filament. (I use Prusament > for my prints. Don't know how much difference that makes, but I have heard > that people experience more failures and problems with cheaper filament, > and > I don't feel like messing around with that.) > > There is the problem that a long tall rod will tend to be weak. I can't > snap my 20mm bolts by hand, but I wouldn't expect them to be particularly > strong, so if strength is critical, you need to do something different. > > > jon_bondy wrote > > The first time I tried to print the rod vertically, using PLA and > > without threads, it just snapped off. This time, with threads, and with > > flexible filament, it printed to completion (although the top of the rod > > was wobbling all over the place towards the end of the print). The > > threads are recognizable, but there are enough small anomalies that it > > is very difficult to screw into a nut. I tried to clean it up with a > > die, but there was too much resistance. > > > > On 5/15/2020 4:18 PM, adrianv wrote: > >> I printed 1/4-20 threading on a Prusa MK3 in PLA without any problems. > >> They > >> worked great with each other and with matching metal hardware. Printed > >> them with bolts pointing up into the air and nuts in the same direction, > >> lying flat. > >> > >> How did your print attempt fail? If you try to print threads > >> horizontally > >> you're going to have a bunch of support problems. It might work with > >> interrupted threads, I guess. > >> > >> > >> jon_bondy wrote > >>> I froze a flexible part and managed to tap it, but attempts to use a > die > >>> on a rod have failed, even when frozen. > >>> > >>> nop head: do you believe that print orientation is important when > >>> printing threads? That is, better with the rod horizontal or vertical? > >>> The vertical attempt failed, even on my Prusa MK3s > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OpenSCAD mailing list > > > Discuss@.openscad > > > http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.openscad.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > OpenSCAD mailing list > Discuss@lists.openscad.org > http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org >