On 08.06.21 19:00, pproj@posteo.de wrote:

I'm a bit worried about the need for maintaining user data to allow that.

What I just found yesterday is this post from the Arduino project which
outlines an updated process to publish libraries:
https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/06/07/new-workflow-for-arduino-library-submissions/

Maybe something along those lines would be doable with some reasonable
effort while pushing most of the hosting and maintenance part to github.
The final info file could be hosted on our file server, just as the
nightly builds are pulled automatically.

ciao,
Torsten.

Hello Torsten, interesting.
I think one perhaps could imply non trivial rules to comply with, to
ensure the library registration bot will not reject it. Thus demanding
minimal effort, people have to go through to share their work (this is
very cynical).  scaring off those with very minor five minutes libs or
lib changes (this is useful).

I am not sure how to agree on theese quality rules.
to be honest i do not really like this my very own idea, because it
disciplines people for wanting to share their work for free.

and actually i was thinking more of library update anouncments, say
like: "Nop Head has just released this particular great new Assembly"
rather than library anouncement,
I think we have way less lib committers than Arduino, so we could be
more friendly to everybody, since there are not so many. and if they get
too many, then let deal with t then.

Perhaps, alternativly, there could be a Voting Promotion Process, so if
somebody wants to publish an update, he anounces a link to the library
(with a nice picture and description) and then on a voting Page every
member of the Anouncement mailing list can Vote for it, or choose not to.
If it gets a minimum threshold of say (4 Votes of mailig list users) it
gets promoted to the RSS-feed on the Homepage.
I am not sure, but perhaps this will also make the "library Page" rank
higher on Google search, sine there will be more updates. And "a library
update Ticker  section" will make the openscads homepage much more
fancy. But it will also have its value for spotting new useful libs.
we could even push it ito Openscad itself, like with Cura or Visual Studio
Peter
On 08.06.21 22:55, Torsten Paul wrote:

On 10.06.21 19:49, pproj@posteo.de wrote:

People will always be able to just share things, we are not
Apple trying to cage people and tell them what they can do.

The point here is more that to make some kind of automation
possible (e.g. having an automatically updated list in the
application itself), there's some defined structure needed.
Software is still very dumb, so it needs either help with
lots of configuration or some defined rules and conventions.

The return for doing that effort is the more obvious listing
of the library. But there's no limitation that will make it
impossible for people to just blog post, put the model on
a Facebook page, or into the description of a YouTube video
(Hi BigClive! :-)

Seeing that the discussions about "real" package management
have not moved forward even a tiny bit, that's simply an
idea how to get moving, giving people something to work
with even if it's not the greatest solution in the world.
Maybe it will draw some attention and improve over time.

I'm happy to help setting something up. But I'm very sure
it's not something I can maintain, days are simply not long
enough. I've created the library page as a compromise, it's
low effort for me to maintain but to keep it this way, it
has to be very limited.

I've seen so much cool stuff, flying by on twitter or on
reddit which would be nice to also have in some news stream
on the website. Maybe a simple link list would be enough
if we can find a couple of people who would help with
reviewing the links.

The gallery page is pretty much working like that already:
https://github.com/openscad/openscad.github.com/blob/master/inc/static-gallery.json

Having one or two such lists in a separate repository would
even automatically bring some simple form of user management
and approval flow, although tied to a github login. With
the built-in editor, there's not even any need to store
files locally.

ciao,
Torsten.

Hello Torsten

I agree this is a very good idea.

Besides, this was the first time i had a look at the Gallery after you
had mentioned it, call me dumb, i've never noticed it before.

I personally would prefer something more fancy catchy like a ticker on 
openscad's homepage,or an Update Notification on a main screen, but that
is a matter of taste.

The mechanism with the JSON file is pretty good and i agree we should
just use it for the library announcement/list as well, IMHO.

Or perhaps even RSS would be more straightforward?

Asking a library submitter to have a Github account is IMHO completely
feasible. I understand it is a commercial entity, but i think this is a
compromise everybody can agree on for now.

So how do we get things pushed to the JSON files?

Every User asking for it on this list will get commit rights to this
JSON news repo?

or should there be a pull robot,you have mentioned?

So do you think it is possible to borrow arduino's robot-script somehow?

Peter

On 12.06.21 22:58, pproj@posteo.de wrote:

No, just a normal github account should be enough to be able
to edit a file simply by pressing the edit button on the
github web page which will automatically create a pull request
on save.

For people who are really not comfortable editing the files,
creating an issue with the needed information might work too
if someone would pick that up and convert into the proper
format.

We can try this with a simple, not official linked page to see
if that works.

That would be needed only for the full integration. To me it
seems it might be useful to have both the info page and then
hopefully at some point some kind of simple library management.

ciao,
Torsten.

Torsten i think this just great, you already did it, i was thinking
about trying to help with it, but barely had any time for even
answering.
Count me in, i will do test! Just, too very busy now. Most of my spare
time today eaten up by writing of the fist tutorial for the constructive
lib. i will try to find time for it on some of coming days thgis week.
I really do think this is very important,

i hope somebody else will join us too. Nophead? Dave? anybody else?
Peter

On 13.06.2021 22:26, Torsten Paul wrote:

Hi Torsten,
i have made a review of your PR, merge and Commit, but how to kick off
the jsonp generation so the html page gets updated?
Peter
On 14.06.21 00:05, pproj wrote:

Torsten
 i tried to add news about my lib to the news.yaml but i really do not
like twitter, it is in fact, the first time i would use it at all.
is there any less compromized open relative out there, you know of? i
would put the news about my lib there then.

On 14.06.21 20:17, pproj@posteo.de wrote: