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nop head
Mon, Mar 7, 2022 1:37 PM
As the sphere diameter approaches the height of the cylinder the radius of
the cylinder tends towards zero. So the volume tends to that of a sphere
with radius 3. I did it algabreicly by subtracting the volume of the
cylinder and the two pole caps. It works out as 36 and is invariant with
the sphere radius.
On Mon, 7 Mar 2022, 13:18 Raymond West, raywest@raywest.com wrote:
On 07/03/2022 08:35, FF Systems wrote:
Do not read if you are still pondering the puzzle...
It is the volume of a sphere that is the same diameter as the height
of the drilled cylinder.
Not in my reasoning since op said
To avoid any quibbles, here is an unlabelled picture of the result.
The 6" is the Z height of the figure.
The diameter of the sphere is not the height of the drilled cylinder.
The diameter of the sphere is the 'diagonal' of the cylinder.
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As the sphere diameter approaches the height of the cylinder the radius of
the cylinder tends towards zero. So the volume tends to that of a sphere
with radius 3. I did it algabreicly by subtracting the volume of the
cylinder and the two pole caps. It works out as 36 and is invariant with
the sphere radius.
On Mon, 7 Mar 2022, 13:18 Raymond West, <raywest@raywest.com> wrote:
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> > The 6" is the Z height of the figure.
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> The diameter of the sphere is not the height of the drilled cylinder.
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> The diameter of the sphere is the 'diagonal' of the cylinder.
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FF Systems
Mon, Mar 7, 2022 1:40 PM
Yes, you misread my explanation. The REAMINING volume is that of a sphere
of the same diameter as the height of the cylinder (6").
The drilled sphere is of undetermined diameter as it is dependent upon the
diameter of the cylinder (using a lot of trig and geometry...and maybe some
calc).
On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 7:18 AM Raymond West raywest@raywest.com wrote:
On 07/03/2022 08:35, FF Systems wrote:
Do not read if you are still pondering the puzzle...
It is the volume of a sphere that is the same diameter as the height
of the drilled cylinder.
Not in my reasoning since op said
To avoid any quibbles, here is an unlabelled picture of the result.
The 6" is the Z height of the figure.
The diameter of the sphere is not the height of the drilled cylinder.
The diameter of the sphere is the 'diagonal' of the cylinder.
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Yes, you misread my explanation. The REAMINING volume is that of a sphere
of the same diameter as the height of the cylinder (6").
The drilled sphere is of undetermined diameter as it is dependent upon the
diameter of the cylinder (using a lot of trig and geometry...and maybe some
calc).
On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 7:18 AM Raymond West <raywest@raywest.com> wrote:
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> On 07/03/2022 08:35, FF Systems wrote:
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> > To avoid any quibbles, here is an unlabelled picture of the result.
> > The 6" is the Z height of the figure.
>
> The diameter of the sphere is not the height of the drilled cylinder.
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> The diameter of the sphere is the 'diagonal' of the cylinder.
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Rogier Wolff
Mon, Mar 7, 2022 2:16 PM
This is from "Aha! insight" by Martin Gardner. The trick is to see
that IF the problem has a solution, THEN it must be "the volume of the
sphere as the diameter of the cylinder tends to zero" per Nop Head's
argument.
When you're good enough with sin's and cos's you can do the math and
find that indeed, independent of the starting radius of the sphere,
the volume always comes out to the same number.
The other one in the book is: (The story is about a tower and a
painter getting stuck with his ladder).
Two concentric circles have an area between them (so area larger -
area smaller). Find this area. Given: ghe longest straight line in the
sought area is 10 units. (this line begins and ends on the outer
circle and touches the inner one).
The Aha! insight is that given that this has a solution, it MUST be
that the radius of the inner circle doesn't matter, and you can tend
that to zero, leaving an outer cicle with a 10 unit diameter.
Roger.
On Mon, Mar 07, 2022 at 01:37:10PM +0000, nop head wrote:
As the sphere diameter approaches the height of the cylinder the radius of
the cylinder tends towards zero. So the volume tends to that of a sphere
with radius 3. I did it algabreicly by subtracting the volume of the
cylinder and the two pole caps. It works out as 36 and is invariant with
the sphere radius.
On Mon, 7 Mar 2022, 13:18 Raymond West, raywest@raywest.com wrote:
On 07/03/2022 08:35, FF Systems wrote:
Do not read if you are still pondering the puzzle...
It is the volume of a sphere that is the same diameter as the height
of the drilled cylinder.
Not in my reasoning since op said
To avoid any quibbles, here is an unlabelled picture of the result.
The 6" is the Z height of the figure.
The diameter of the sphere is not the height of the drilled cylinder.
The diameter of the sphere is the 'diagonal' of the cylinder.
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f equals m times a. When your f is steady, and your m is going down
your a is going up. -- Chris Hadfield about flying up the space shuttle.
This is from "Aha! insight" by Martin Gardner. The trick is to see
that IF the problem has a solution, THEN it must be "the volume of the
sphere as the diameter of the cylinder tends to zero" per Nop Head's
argument.
When you're good enough with sin's and cos's you can do the math and
find that indeed, independent of the starting radius of the sphere,
the volume always comes out to the same number.
The other one in the book is: (The story is about a tower and a
painter getting stuck with his ladder).
Two concentric circles have an area between them (so area larger -
area smaller). Find this area. Given: ghe longest straight line in the
sought area is 10 units. (this line begins and ends on the outer
circle and touches the inner one).
The Aha! insight is that given that this has a solution, it MUST be
that the radius of the inner circle doesn't matter, and you can tend
that to zero, leaving an outer cicle with a 10 unit diameter.
Roger.
On Mon, Mar 07, 2022 at 01:37:10PM +0000, nop head wrote:
> As the sphere diameter approaches the height of the cylinder the radius of
> the cylinder tends towards zero. So the volume tends to that of a sphere
> with radius 3. I did it algabreicly by subtracting the volume of the
> cylinder and the two pole caps. It works out as 36 and is invariant with
> the sphere radius.
>
> On Mon, 7 Mar 2022, 13:18 Raymond West, <raywest@raywest.com> wrote:
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> > On 07/03/2022 08:35, FF Systems wrote:
> > > Do not read if you are still pondering the puzzle...
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> > Not in my reasoning since op said
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> > > To avoid any quibbles, here is an unlabelled picture of the result.
> > > The 6" is the Z height of the figure.
> >
> > The diameter of the sphere is not the height of the drilled cylinder.
> >
> > The diameter of the sphere is the 'diagonal' of the cylinder.
> >
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f equals m times a. When your f is steady, and your m is going down
your a is going up. -- Chris Hadfield about flying up the space shuttle.
RP
Ronaldo Persiano
Mon, Mar 7, 2022 2:39 PM
There is a valuable clue in Larry's statement of the problem:
And yes, the question has all the information required.
If that is true then the answer is independent of the sphere diameter.
Trusting his formulation of the puzzle the answer is trivial: the volume of
the sphere with a diameter equal to 6. Not trusting it requires the
additional math nophead mentioned.
Is this what Larry called "a logical way to solve it"?
Em seg., 7 de mar. de 2022 às 13:38, nop head nop.head@gmail.com escreveu:
As the sphere diameter approaches the height of the cylinder the radius of
the cylinder tends towards zero. So the volume tends to that of a sphere
with radius 3. I did it algabreicly by subtracting the volume of the
cylinder and the two pole caps. It works out as 36 and is invariant with
the sphere radius.
On Mon, 7 Mar 2022, 13:18 Raymond West, raywest@raywest.com wrote:
On 07/03/2022 08:35, FF Systems wrote:
Do not read if you are still pondering the puzzle...
It is the volume of a sphere that is the same diameter as the height
of the drilled cylinder.
Not in my reasoning since op said
To avoid any quibbles, here is an unlabelled picture of the result.
The 6" is the Z height of the figure.
The diameter of the sphere is not the height of the drilled cylinder.
The diameter of the sphere is the 'diagonal' of the cylinder.
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There is a valuable clue in Larry's statement of the problem:
*And yes, the question has all the information required.*
If that is true then the answer is independent of the sphere diameter.
Trusting his formulation of the puzzle the answer is trivial: the volume of
the sphere with a diameter equal to 6. Not trusting it requires the
additional math nophead mentioned.
Is this what Larry called "a logical way to solve it"?
Em seg., 7 de mar. de 2022 às 13:38, nop head <nop.head@gmail.com> escreveu:
> As the sphere diameter approaches the height of the cylinder the radius of
> the cylinder tends towards zero. So the volume tends to that of a sphere
> with radius 3. I did it algabreicly by subtracting the volume of the
> cylinder and the two pole caps. It works out as 36 and is invariant with
> the sphere radius.
>
> On Mon, 7 Mar 2022, 13:18 Raymond West, <raywest@raywest.com> wrote:
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>> On 07/03/2022 08:35, FF Systems wrote:
>> > Do not read if you are still pondering the puzzle...
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>> Not in my reasoning since op said
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>> > To avoid any quibbles, here is an unlabelled picture of the result.
>> > The 6" is the Z height of the figure.
>>
>> The diameter of the sphere is not the height of the drilled cylinder.
>>
>> The diameter of the sphere is the 'diagonal' of the cylinder.
>>
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FF Systems
Mon, Mar 7, 2022 3:00 PM
Yes, by my way of understanding.
The "logical" solution is actually the clue to the setup for the rigorous
solution. Knowing that the "answer" is revealed by pushing a parameter
toward a "limit" suggests the framework for the calc required. This is
true also for the concentric circle solution.
On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 8:40 AM Ronaldo Persiano rcmpersiano@gmail.com
wrote:
There is a valuable clue in Larry's statement of the problem:
And yes, the question has all the information required.
If that is true then the answer is independent of the sphere diameter.
Trusting his formulation of the puzzle the answer is trivial: the volume of
the sphere with a diameter equal to 6. Not trusting it requires the
additional math nophead mentioned.
Is this what Larry called "a logical way to solve it"?
Em seg., 7 de mar. de 2022 às 13:38, nop head nop.head@gmail.com
escreveu:
As the sphere diameter approaches the height of the cylinder the radius
of the cylinder tends towards zero. So the volume tends to that of a sphere
with radius 3. I did it algabreicly by subtracting the volume of the
cylinder and the two pole caps. It works out as 36 and is invariant with
the sphere radius.
On Mon, 7 Mar 2022, 13:18 Raymond West, raywest@raywest.com wrote:
On 07/03/2022 08:35, FF Systems wrote:
Do not read if you are still pondering the puzzle...
It is the volume of a sphere that is the same diameter as the height
of the drilled cylinder.
Not in my reasoning since op said
To avoid any quibbles, here is an unlabelled picture of the result.
The 6" is the Z height of the figure.
The diameter of the sphere is not the height of the drilled cylinder.
The diameter of the sphere is the 'diagonal' of the cylinder.
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Yes, by my way of understanding.
The "logical" solution is actually the clue to the setup for the rigorous
solution. Knowing that the "answer" is revealed by pushing a parameter
toward a "limit" suggests the framework for the calc required. This is
true also for the concentric circle solution.
On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 8:40 AM Ronaldo Persiano <rcmpersiano@gmail.com>
wrote:
> There is a valuable clue in Larry's statement of the problem:
>
> *And yes, the question has all the information required.*
>
>
> If that is true then the answer is independent of the sphere diameter.
> Trusting his formulation of the puzzle the answer is trivial: the volume of
> the sphere with a diameter equal to 6. Not trusting it requires the
> additional math nophead mentioned.
>
> Is this what Larry called "a logical way to solve it"?
>
> Em seg., 7 de mar. de 2022 às 13:38, nop head <nop.head@gmail.com>
> escreveu:
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>> As the sphere diameter approaches the height of the cylinder the radius
>> of the cylinder tends towards zero. So the volume tends to that of a sphere
>> with radius 3. I did it algabreicly by subtracting the volume of the
>> cylinder and the two pole caps. It works out as 36 and is invariant with
>> the sphere radius.
>>
>> On Mon, 7 Mar 2022, 13:18 Raymond West, <raywest@raywest.com> wrote:
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>>> On 07/03/2022 08:35, FF Systems wrote:
>>> > Do not read if you are still pondering the puzzle...
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>>> > of the drilled cylinder.
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>>> Not in my reasoning since op said
>>>
>>> > To avoid any quibbles, here is an unlabelled picture of the result.
>>> > The 6" is the Z height of the figure.
>>>
>>> The diameter of the sphere is not the height of the drilled cylinder.
>>>
>>> The diameter of the sphere is the 'diagonal' of the cylinder.
>>>
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Raymond West
Mon, Mar 7, 2022 3:23 PM
Agreed, I misread your statement. I was part way through calculating it
at the time, which got a bit tedious.
On 07/03/2022 13:40, FF Systems wrote:
Yes, you misread my explanation. The REAMINING volume is that of a
sphere of the same diameter as the height of the cylinder (6").
The drilled sphere is of undetermined diameter as it is dependent upon
the diameter of the cylinder (using a lot of trig and geometry...and
maybe some calc).
On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 7:18 AM Raymond West raywest@raywest.com wrote:
On 07/03/2022 08:35, FF Systems wrote:
Do not read if you are still pondering the puzzle...
It is the volume of a sphere that is the same diameter as the
Not in my reasoning since op said
To avoid any quibbles, here is an unlabelled picture of the result.
The 6" is the Z height of the figure.
The diameter of the sphere is not the height of the drilled cylinder.
The diameter of the sphere is the 'diagonal' of the cylinder.
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Agreed, I misread your statement. I was part way through calculating it
at the time, which got a bit tedious.
On 07/03/2022 13:40, FF Systems wrote:
> Yes, you misread my explanation. The REAMINING volume is that of a
> sphere of the same diameter as the height of the cylinder (6").
>
> The drilled sphere is of undetermined diameter as it is dependent upon
> the diameter of the cylinder (using a lot of trig and geometry...and
> maybe some calc).
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 7:18 AM Raymond West <raywest@raywest.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 07/03/2022 08:35, FF Systems wrote:
> > Do not read if you are still pondering the puzzle...
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> > It is the volume of a sphere that is the same diameter as the
> height
> > of the drilled cylinder.
>
>
> Not in my reasoning since op said
>
> > To avoid any quibbles, here is an unlabelled picture of the result.
> > The 6" is the Z height of the figure.
>
> The diameter of the sphere is not the height of the drilled cylinder.
>
> The diameter of the sphere is the 'diagonal' of the cylinder.
>
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larry
Mon, Mar 7, 2022 4:40 PM
On Mon, 2022-03-07 at 14:39 +0000, Ronaldo Persiano wrote:
There is a valuable clue in Larry's statement of the problem:
And yes, the question has all the information required.
If that is true then the answer is independent of the sphere
diameter. Trusting his formulation of the puzzle the answer is
trivial: the volume of the sphere with a diameter equal to 6. Not
trusting it requires the additional math nophead mentioned.
Is this what Larry called "a logical way to solve it"?
Indeed it is.
I used to devour Martin Gardner's /Mathematical Games/ articles, as
well as the /Amateur Scientist/ column every month from about the time
I was 12 or 13.
This puzzle was my favourite, and I got it (finally) without using
math.
My favourite /Amateur Scientist/ column was about the Hilsch tube.
As the sphere diameter approaches the height of the cylinder the
radius of the cylinder tends towards zero. So the volume tends to
that of a sphere with radius 3. I did it algabreicly by subtracting
the volume of the cylinder and the two pole caps. It works out as
36 and is invariant with the sphere radius.
On Mon, 7 Mar 2022, 13:18 Raymond West, raywest@raywest.com
wrote:
On 07/03/2022 08:35, FF Systems wrote:
Do not read if you are still pondering the puzzle...
It is the volume of a sphere that is the same diameter as the
Not in my reasoning since op said
To avoid any quibbles, here is an unlabelled picture of the
The 6" is the Z height of the figure.
The diameter of the sphere is not the height of the drilled
cylinder.
The diameter of the sphere is the 'diagonal' of the cylinder.
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On Mon, 2022-03-07 at 14:39 +0000, Ronaldo Persiano wrote:
> There is a valuable clue in Larry's statement of the problem:
>
> > And yes, the question has all the information required.
>
> If that is true then the answer is independent of the sphere
> diameter. Trusting his formulation of the puzzle the answer is
> trivial: the volume of the sphere with a diameter equal to 6. Not
> trusting it requires the additional math nophead mentioned.
>
> Is this what Larry called "a logical way to solve it"?
Indeed it is.
I used to devour Martin Gardner's /Mathematical Games/ articles, as
well as the /Amateur Scientist/ column every month from about the time
I was 12 or 13.
This puzzle was my favourite, and I got it (finally) without using
math.
My favourite /Amateur Scientist/ column was about the Hilsch tube.
>
> Em seg., 7 de mar. de 2022 às 13:38, nop head <nop.head@gmail.com>
> escreveu:
> > As the sphere diameter approaches the height of the cylinder the
> > radius of the cylinder tends towards zero. So the volume tends to
> > that of a sphere with radius 3. I did it algabreicly by subtracting
> > the volume of the cylinder and the two pole caps. It works out as
> > 36 and is invariant with the sphere radius.
> >
> > On Mon, 7 Mar 2022, 13:18 Raymond West, <raywest@raywest.com>
> > wrote:
> > > On 07/03/2022 08:35, FF Systems wrote:
> > > > Do not read if you are still pondering the puzzle...
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> > > > It is the volume of a sphere that is the same diameter as the
> > > height
> > > > of the drilled cylinder.
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> > > Not in my reasoning since op said
> > >
> > > > To avoid any quibbles, here is an unlabelled picture of the
> > > result.
> > > > The 6" is the Z height of the figure.
> > >
> > > The diameter of the sphere is not the height of the drilled
> > > cylinder.
> > >
> > > The diameter of the sphere is the 'diagonal' of the cylinder.
> > >
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