Old style water pumps in cars are a style of "blower", ie centrifugal is
the concept, though I think that word needs to be used with care. They
are good for circulating fluids, but not so good if a fairly high
pressure is needed. Whereas outboard motors on boats use a rubber impeller.
Rob
On 24/01/16 12:05, fred wrote:
What is the primary contributor to the noise, in your opinion? A
non-3d-printed blower would be made of metal, while these model items
would be plastic. How much could that mitigate the noise level?
If the pump design is being used for liquid, I'd expect that would
absorb much of the noise of such a device, yes?
On Saturday, January 23, 2016 7:50 PM, Neon22 mschafer@wireframe.biz
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Just a side note:
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Sounds interesting.
I've also done some gear pump designs which head towards a heart pump for
simulation of aortic flows. One of it uses a pair of herringbone gears which
I easily designed with my gears.scad library
http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:636119
You, I guess, want to be able to control a small amount of flow in a linear
way. Therefore sealing will play an important role. It might be a good idea
to use a pair of prefactored gears like from an old laserprinter and to just
design a housing around them ...
richard_d wrote
My goal is to pump melted wax so that I can draw on fabric as in Batik
art.
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Won't another factor be keeping the pump's gear mass and housing above the melting point of the wax, requiring a heated jacket of some sort as well? So maybe it will require two pumps? One for wax and one for a heated water jacket?
A Peristaltic pump maybe an option for the wax as it is 'seamless', the silicon tube should handle 60+ degrees ok and the pump could be submerged and the motor held out of the heated bath.
Using a stepper to drive the peristaltic mechanism could also give quite good, precise delivery. I would think there are 3-D printer designs for peristaltic mechanisms to consider this option. You could design your flow rate/control around a chosen silicon tube diameter?
Rob
On 24 January 2016 10:24:13 PM AEDT, Parkinbot rudolf@parkinbot.com wrote:
Sounds interesting.
I've also done some gear pump designs which head towards a heart pump
for
simulation of aortic flows. One of it uses a pair of herringbone gears
which
I easily designed with my gears.scad library
http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:636119
You, I guess, want to be able to control a small amount of flow in a
linear
way. Therefore sealing will play an important role. It might be a good
idea
to use a pair of prefactored gears like from an old laserprinter and to
just
design a housing around them ...
richard_d wrote
My goal is to pump melted wax so that I can draw on fabric as in
Batik
art.
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Pumping melted wax for batik presents some problems as well as some positive
aspects.
So you'll either need a pump design that:
The roots style pump might work but the wax is widely distributed in the
housing and you need good sealed bearings to prevent leakage.
The moineau (positive displacement pump) would be good but is hard to make.
Probably the best for your app is the peristaltic style pumps.
These do suffer from pulsing but the fabric absorption will probably
mitigate this and your flow rates are probably low enough to not make this a
big problem.
The tube which contains the wax, can be pumped (mostly) clear at the end of
a run, and can be enveloped in heat using a warm water jacket as well.
A stepper motor can drive the flow reasonably precisely for your
application, especially if geared down (you need a lot of force).
A design could be:
Designs:
The pulsing is reduced by having more chambers. You need a tubing pump. See
here for design considerations:
You need a jacketed design but at least openscad can help you here. By using
the difference() function from a larger volume you can make an outer casing
to act as a water jacket.
There are a number of designs on thingiverse under peristaltic but many are
not parametric.
You will need a strong stepper motor and/or gearing reduction to add torque.
A stepper driving a planetary gearbox driving the pump might be ideal for
space purposes.
To start with:
Good luck...
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Thank you all for your interesting posts. As I noted in my second post of
the 23rd, I was considering a gear pump system like Nick Seidl's that can be
heated. He designed it for molten chocolate so I only need to heat the
system another twenty or so degrees higher. I am presently looking at
various nylons to use for the build and have come to realize that shrinkage
is going to be an issue with nylon. If these problems look too daunting, I
was considering an alternative where I adapted a metal syringe (Wilton
dessert decorator) to RichRap's paste extruder. I could wrap the syringe
with a heated sheet. Dripping will happen but can be contained. Again,
thanks for reading.
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I can't find Nick Seidl. Your second post is to a Vincent Li design.
If Nylon is not suitable - consider PET or PC
E.g.
http://3dprintingfromscratch.com/common/3d-printer-filament-types-overview/#pett
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