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Rob Ward
Sun, Jan 24, 2016 5:02 AM

Old style water pumps in cars are a style of "blower", ie centrifugal is
the concept, though I think that word needs to be used with care.  They
are good for circulating fluids, but not so good if a fairly high
pressure is needed.  Whereas outboard motors on boats use a rubber impeller.

Rob

On 24/01/16 12:05, fred wrote:

What is the primary contributor to the noise, in your opinion? A
non-3d-printed blower would be made of metal, while these model items
would be plastic. How much could that mitigate the noise level?

If the pump design is being used for liquid, I'd expect that would
absorb much of the noise of such a device, yes?

On Saturday, January 23, 2016 7:50 PM, Neon22 mschafer@wireframe.biz
wrote:

Just a side note:

  • I have used roots style blowers for air and they are incredibly noisy.
    Could not recommend.

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Old style water pumps in cars are a style of "blower", ie centrifugal is the concept, though I think that word needs to be used with care. They are good for circulating fluids, but not so good if a fairly high pressure is needed. Whereas outboard motors on boats use a rubber impeller. Rob On 24/01/16 12:05, fred wrote: > What is the primary contributor to the noise, in your opinion? A > non-3d-printed blower would be made of metal, while these model items > would be plastic. How much could that mitigate the noise level? > > If the pump design is being used for liquid, I'd expect that would > absorb much of the noise of such a device, yes? > > > On Saturday, January 23, 2016 7:50 PM, Neon22 <mschafer@wireframe.biz> > wrote: > > > Just a side note: > - I have used roots style blowers for air and they are incredibly noisy. > Could not recommend. > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.openscad.org/Parametric-gear-pump-design-tp15823p15855.html > > Sent from the OpenSCAD mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > OpenSCAD mailing list > Discuss@lists.openscad.org <mailto:Discuss@lists.openscad.org> > http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OpenSCAD mailing list > Discuss@lists.openscad.org > http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org
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Parkinbot
Sun, Jan 24, 2016 11:24 AM

Sounds interesting.
I've also done some gear pump designs which head towards a heart pump for
simulation of aortic flows. One of it uses a pair of herringbone gears which
I easily designed with my gears.scad library
http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:636119

You, I guess, want to be able to control a small amount of flow in a linear
way. Therefore sealing will play an important role. It might be a good idea
to use a pair of prefactored gears like from an old laserprinter and to just
design a housing around them ...

  • Rudolf

richard_d wrote

My goal is to pump melted wax so that I can draw on fabric as in Batik
art.

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Sounds interesting. I've also done some gear pump designs which head towards a heart pump for simulation of aortic flows. One of it uses a pair of herringbone gears which I easily designed with my gears.scad library http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:636119 You, I guess, want to be able to control a small amount of flow in a linear way. Therefore sealing will play an important role. It might be a good idea to use a pair of prefactored gears like from an old laserprinter and to just design a housing around them ... - Rudolf richard_d wrote > My goal is to pump melted wax so that I can draw on fabric as in Batik > art. -- View this message in context: http://forum.openscad.org/Parametric-gear-pump-design-tp15823p15863.html Sent from the OpenSCAD mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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Rob Ward
Sun, Jan 24, 2016 9:55 PM

Won't another factor be keeping the pump's gear mass and housing above the melting point of the wax, requiring a heated jacket of some sort as well? So maybe it will require two pumps? One for wax and one for a heated water jacket?

A Peristaltic pump maybe an option for the wax as it is 'seamless', the silicon tube should handle 60+ degrees ok and the pump could be submerged and the motor held out of the heated bath.

Using a stepper to drive the peristaltic mechanism could also give quite good, precise delivery. I would think there are 3-D printer designs for peristaltic mechanisms to consider this option. You could design your flow rate/control around a chosen silicon tube diameter?

Rob

On 24 January 2016 10:24:13 PM AEDT, Parkinbot rudolf@parkinbot.com wrote:

Sounds interesting.
I've also done some gear pump designs which head towards a heart pump
for
simulation of aortic flows. One of it uses a pair of herringbone gears
which
I easily designed with my gears.scad library
http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:636119

You, I guess, want to be able to control a small amount of flow in a
linear
way. Therefore sealing will play an important role. It might be a good
idea
to use a pair of prefactored gears like from an old laserprinter and to
just
design a housing around them ...

  • Rudolf

richard_d wrote

My goal is to pump melted wax so that I can draw on fabric as in

Batik

art.

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Won't another factor be keeping the pump's gear mass and housing above the melting point of the wax, requiring a heated jacket of some sort as well? So maybe it will require two pumps? One for wax and one for a heated water jacket? A Peristaltic pump maybe an option for the wax as it is 'seamless', the silicon tube should handle 60+ degrees ok and the pump could be submerged and the motor held out of the heated bath. Using a stepper to drive the peristaltic mechanism could also give quite good, precise delivery. I would think there are 3-D printer designs for peristaltic mechanisms to consider this option. You could design your flow rate/control around a chosen silicon tube diameter? Rob On 24 January 2016 10:24:13 PM AEDT, Parkinbot <rudolf@parkinbot.com> wrote: >Sounds interesting. >I've also done some gear pump designs which head towards a heart pump >for >simulation of aortic flows. One of it uses a pair of herringbone gears >which >I easily designed with my gears.scad library >http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:636119 > >You, I guess, want to be able to control a small amount of flow in a >linear >way. Therefore sealing will play an important role. It might be a good >idea >to use a pair of prefactored gears like from an old laserprinter and to >just >design a housing around them ... > >- Rudolf > > >richard_d wrote >> My goal is to pump melted wax so that I can draw on fabric as in >Batik >> art. > > > > > >-- >View this message in context: >http://forum.openscad.org/Parametric-gear-pump-design-tp15823p15863.html >Sent from the OpenSCAD mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >_______________________________________________ >OpenSCAD mailing list >Discuss@lists.openscad.org >http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
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Neon22
Sun, Jan 24, 2016 11:16 PM

Pumping melted wax for batik presents some problems as well as some positive
aspects.

  • You only need to lay the wax down for absorption by the fabric, so exact
    dispensing of a volume is probably not as critical as for plastic
    deposition.
  • But the wax will melt at a temperature depending on the wax you're using,
    beeswax, paraffin, microcrystalline.
    (Probably you are using paraffin as it is cheapest ?
    Melting point is between 46 and 68 °C (115 and 154 °F) depending on
    formulation.)

So you'll either need a pump design that:

  • can be pumped clear,
  • or a way to melt the wax in the head so that a cold pump can be rewarmed
    and work without damage.
  • It will probably also need to be easy to take apart when warm, and clean.

The roots style pump might work but the wax is widely distributed in the
housing and you need good sealed bearings to prevent leakage.
The moineau (positive displacement pump) would be good but is hard to make.
Probably the best for your app is the peristaltic style pumps.
These do suffer from pulsing but the fabric absorption will probably
mitigate this and your flow rates are probably low enough to not make this a
big problem.

The tube which contains the wax, can be pumped (mostly) clear at the end of
a run, and can be enveloped in heat using a warm water jacket as well.
A stepper motor can drive the flow reasonably precisely for your
application, especially if geared down (you need a lot of force).

A design could be:

  • Horizontally mounted with wax entry from reservoir above with a side entry
    tube and similar side exit at bottom.
  • A water jacket around the entire pump which can be continuously fed with
    hot water to maintain the wax temp (and the wax reservoir above).
  • When the wax is visually melted in the top reservoir then the printer is
    ready to go. A cap on the output would prevent dripping while heating.
  • Silicon tubing is good to 200C so is ideal for wax and peristaltic flow.
  • When finished make sure to pump the reservoir out and clear the tubing. So
    add a dump tank position on the printer.
  • Failure of the heating does not require dismantling, just reheating to
    clear.
  • But detecting a loss of water temp should stop the printer, to avoid gear
    failure when the wax solidifies.

Designs:
The pulsing is reduced by having more chambers. You need a tubing pump. See
here for design considerations:

You need a jacketed design but at least openscad can help you here. By using
the difference() function from a larger volume you can make an outer casing
to act as a water jacket.
There are a number of designs on thingiverse under peristaltic but many are
not parametric.
You will need a strong stepper motor and/or gearing reduction to add torque.
A stepper driving a planetary gearbox driving the pump might be ideal for
space purposes.
To start with:

Good luck...

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Pumping melted wax for batik presents some problems as well as some positive aspects. - You only need to lay the wax down for absorption by the fabric, so exact dispensing of a volume is probably not as critical as for plastic deposition. - But the wax will melt at a temperature depending on the wax you're using, beeswax, paraffin, microcrystalline. (Probably you are using paraffin as it is cheapest ? Melting point is between 46 and 68 °C (115 and 154 °F) depending on formulation.) So you'll either need a pump design that: - can be pumped clear, - or a way to melt the wax in the head so that a cold pump can be rewarmed and work without damage. - It will probably also need to be easy to take apart when warm, and clean. The roots style pump might work but the wax is widely distributed in the housing and you need good sealed bearings to prevent leakage. The moineau (positive displacement pump) would be good but is hard to make. Probably the best for your app is the peristaltic style pumps. These do suffer from pulsing but the fabric absorption will probably mitigate this and your flow rates are probably low enough to not make this a big problem. The tube which contains the wax, can be pumped (mostly) clear at the end of a run, and can be enveloped in heat using a warm water jacket as well. A stepper motor can drive the flow reasonably precisely for your application, especially if geared down (you need a lot of force). A design could be: - Horizontally mounted with wax entry from reservoir above with a side entry tube and similar side exit at bottom. - A water jacket around the entire pump which can be continuously fed with hot water to maintain the wax temp (and the wax reservoir above). - When the wax is visually melted in the top reservoir then the printer is ready to go. A cap on the output would prevent dripping while heating. - Silicon tubing is good to 200C so is ideal for wax and peristaltic flow. - When finished make sure to pump the reservoir out and clear the tubing. So add a dump tank position on the printer. - Failure of the heating does not require dismantling, just reheating to clear. - But detecting a loss of water temp should stop the printer, to avoid gear failure when the wax solidifies. Designs: The pulsing is reduced by having more chambers. You need a tubing pump. See here for design considerations: - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peristaltic_pump - http://www.coleparmer.com/TechLibraryArticle/579 You need a jacketed design but at least openscad can help you here. By using the difference() function from a larger volume you can make an outer casing to act as a water jacket. There are a number of designs on thingiverse under peristaltic but many are not parametric. You will need a strong stepper motor and/or gearing reduction to add torque. A stepper driving a planetary gearbox driving the pump might be ideal for space purposes. To start with: - http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:8964 - http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:454702 non scad - http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:8652 - http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:254956 Good luck... -- View this message in context: http://forum.openscad.org/Parametric-gear-pump-design-tp15823p15874.html Sent from the OpenSCAD mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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richard_d
Thu, Jan 28, 2016 4:20 PM

Thank you all for your interesting posts.  As I noted in my second post of
the 23rd, I was considering a gear pump system like Nick Seidl's that can be
heated.  He designed it for molten chocolate so I only need to heat the
system another twenty or so degrees higher.  I am presently looking at
various nylons to use for the build and have come to realize that shrinkage
is going to be an issue with nylon. If these problems look too daunting, I
was considering an alternative where I adapted a metal syringe (Wilton
dessert decorator) to RichRap's paste extruder.  I could wrap the syringe
with a heated sheet. Dripping will happen but can be contained.  Again,
thanks for reading.

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Thank you all for your interesting posts. As I noted in my second post of the 23rd, I was considering a gear pump system like Nick Seidl's that can be heated. He designed it for molten chocolate so I only need to heat the system another twenty or so degrees higher. I am presently looking at various nylons to use for the build and have come to realize that shrinkage is going to be an issue with nylon. If these problems look too daunting, I was considering an alternative where I adapted a metal syringe (Wilton dessert decorator) to RichRap's paste extruder. I could wrap the syringe with a heated sheet. Dripping will happen but can be contained. Again, thanks for reading. -- View this message in context: http://forum.openscad.org/Parametric-gear-pump-design-tp15823p15960.html Sent from the OpenSCAD mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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Neon22
Thu, Jan 28, 2016 10:32 PM

I can't find Nick Seidl. Your second post is to a Vincent Li design.
If Nylon is not suitable - consider PET or PC
E.g.

http://3dprintingfromscratch.com/common/3d-printer-filament-types-overview/#pett

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I can't find Nick Seidl. Your second post is to a Vincent Li design. If Nylon is not suitable - consider PET or PC E.g. - https://www.matterhackers.com/3d-printer-filament-compare - http://3dprintingfromscratch.com/common/3d-printer-filament-types-overview/#pett -- View this message in context: http://forum.openscad.org/Parametric-gear-pump-design-tp15823p15965.html Sent from the OpenSCAD mailing list archive at Nabble.com.