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Ray West
Sat, Dec 5, 2020 12:21 PM
fwiw, I joined a landrover mailing list some time ago, I've got all the
digests back to 1998. Easy to set filters in thunderbird. Why do I need
all those emails? Probably i don't, but storage is very cheap, and I can
often find something related to what I want. wrt the openscad
forum/mailing list, I never look at the forum. I filter all my emails. I
may get just the digest, 'cos some of the sums shown here are beyond my
comprehension, but digests are only of value if posters trim their
posts, removing the previous comments.. So far, it's all good. I would
prefer it if the mail list was not linked to the forum, i prefer the
pseudo privacy of mailing lists.
On 05/12/2020 10:05, xgarb wrote:
Shapeways use https://xenforo.com/ which would be another suggestion for a
more traditional forum.
I don't think you'd need mailing list mode in Discourse. You just have one
category (as now with Nabble) and set the notifications for either all new
topics or all new posts if you want emails every time one of those events
occurs. You could also set up further categories as developer only etc etc.
I've not tested 'reply to post via email' but I'm sure that would work.
You could filter incoming emails but it seems like the wrong way round. Also
if you are getting a filtered mail box full of mostly irrelevant emails,
you'll stop checking it.
My experience of joining this forum went something like this:
- Read notice about joining three times
- Sign up to forum
- Confirm
- Sign up to Mail list
- Confirm
- Read notice about joining again
- Send manual request
- Go to bed
- Wake up to 10 emails I'm not interested in
- See accepted message
- Work
- Get more emails
- Write my question
- See my question showing but with just urls for the images
Discourse would be
- Create account or use social login
- Confirm
- Write question (including pasting screen captures directly)
However if it's not 10 minutes work to set up Discourse and if the majority
are happy with the current system maybe now is not the time to move.
Possibly having a forum that's hard to join is an advantage for users
because the low level of activity means the experience users have more time
to help others. I see the topics get answered quickly and I have two helpful
answers to look over already.
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fwiw, I joined a landrover mailing list some time ago, I've got all the
digests back to 1998. Easy to set filters in thunderbird. Why do I need
all those emails? Probably i don't, but storage is very cheap, and I can
often find something related to what I want. wrt the openscad
forum/mailing list, I never look at the forum. I filter all my emails. I
may get just the digest, 'cos some of the sums shown here are beyond my
comprehension, but digests are only of value if posters trim their
posts, removing the previous comments.. So far, it's all good. I would
prefer it if the mail list was not linked to the forum, i prefer the
pseudo privacy of mailing lists.
On 05/12/2020 10:05, xgarb wrote:
> Shapeways use https://xenforo.com/ which would be another suggestion for a
> more traditional forum.
>
> I don't think you'd need mailing list mode in Discourse. You just have one
> category (as now with Nabble) and set the notifications for either all new
> topics or all new posts if you want emails every time one of those events
> occurs. You could also set up further categories as developer only etc etc.
>
> I've not tested 'reply to post via email' but I'm sure that would work.
>
> You could filter incoming emails but it seems like the wrong way round. Also
> if you are getting a filtered mail box full of mostly irrelevant emails,
> you'll stop checking it.
>
> My experience of joining this forum went something like this:
> 1) Read notice about joining three times
> 2) Sign up to forum
> 3) Confirm
> 4) Sign up to Mail list
> 5) Confirm
> 6) Read notice about joining again
> 7) Send manual request
> 8) Go to bed
> 9) Wake up to 10 emails I'm not interested in
> 10) See accepted message
> 11) Work
> 12) Get more emails
> 13) Write my question
> 14) See my question showing but with just urls for the images
>
> Discourse would be
> 1) Create account or use social login
> 2) Confirm
> 3) Write question (including pasting screen captures directly)
>
>
> However if it's not 10 minutes work to set up Discourse and if the majority
> are happy with the current system maybe now is not the time to move.
>
> Possibly having a forum that's hard to join is an advantage for users
> because the low level of activity means the experience users have more time
> to help others. I see the topics get answered quickly and I have two helpful
> answers to look over already.
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://forum.openscad.org/
>
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Doug Moen
Sat, Dec 5, 2020 10:23 PM
Discourse is better for forum users but worse for email users. Since 2/3 of the people on this discussion list are email users, their needs should be taken into account.
When you post a message to Discourse, you do not specify a subject line. So the email generated by Discourse doesn't have a subject line, unlike what we get from Nabble. So OpenSCAD messages would not be threaded by subject in my email reader, and I wouldn't be able to ignore all the messages in a subject I don't care about. Also, there is a lot of boilerplate at the beginning of each email message you have to skip over to find the content. This is all very unpleasant, and not useable.
Zulip is another popular, modern forum system. Zulip organizes the messages using the same structure as a mailing list. Each message has a subject line, and messages are threaded by subject. The Zulip documentation claims that you can use Zulip to replace an email list server. I don't know how useable it is, but it might be worth investigating if we have to move off Nabble.
Google Groups is another potential replacement for Nabble. It is free.
Xenforo looks expensive.
Discourse is better for forum users but worse for email users. Since 2/3 of the people on this discussion list are email users, their needs should be taken into account.
When you post a message to Discourse, you do not specify a subject line. So the email generated by Discourse doesn't have a subject line, unlike what we get from Nabble. So OpenSCAD messages would not be threaded by subject in my email reader, and I wouldn't be able to ignore all the messages in a subject I don't care about. Also, there is a lot of boilerplate at the beginning of each email message you have to skip over to find the content. This is all very unpleasant, and not useable.
Zulip is another popular, modern forum system. Zulip organizes the messages using the same structure as a mailing list. Each message has a subject line, and messages are threaded by subject. The Zulip documentation claims that you can use Zulip to replace an email list server. I don't know how useable it is, but it might be worth investigating if we have to move off Nabble.
Google Groups is another potential replacement for Nabble. It is free.
Xenforo looks expensive.
HL
Hans L
Sun, Dec 6, 2020 1:43 AM
I was going to comment about my dislike of discourse, but just realized
Discord != Discourse. I actually have 0 experience with discourse, so no
idea how well suited it is. But I guess I'll go ahead and post this in
case anyone else was mixed up as I was.
My original message:
Yeah I'm personally not a big fan of Discourse Discord, and I don't
consider it a replacement for forum/mailing list for the same reason Doug
mentions. There's no separation into threads with titles, only channels.
It's more of a replacement for IRC, but we already have that as freenode
#openscad, which I see no reason to replace either.
Hans
On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 4:24 PM Doug Moen doug@moens.org wrote:
Discourse is better for forum users but worse for email users. Since 2/3
of the people on this discussion list are email users, their needs should
be taken into account.
When you post a message to Discourse, you do not specify a subject line.
So the email generated by Discourse doesn't have a subject line, unlike
what we get from Nabble. So OpenSCAD messages would not be threaded by
subject in my email reader, and I wouldn't be able to ignore all the
messages in a subject I don't care about. Also, there is a lot of
boilerplate at the beginning of each email message you have to skip over to
find the content. This is all very unpleasant, and not useable.
Zulip is another popular, modern forum system. Zulip organizes the
messages using the same structure as a mailing list. Each message has a
subject line, and messages are threaded by subject. The Zulip documentation
claims that you can use Zulip to replace an email list server. I don't know
how useable it is, but it might be worth investigating if we have to move
off Nabble.
Google Groups is another potential replacement for Nabble. It is free.
Xenforo looks expensive.
OpenSCAD mailing list
Discuss@lists.openscad.org
http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org
I was going to comment about my dislike of discourse, but just realized
Discord != Discourse. I actually have 0 experience with discourse, so no
idea how well suited it is. But I guess I'll go ahead and post this in
case anyone else was mixed up as I was.
My original message:
Yeah I'm personally not a big fan of Discourse Discord, and I don't
consider it a replacement for forum/mailing list for the same reason Doug
mentions. There's no separation into threads with titles, only channels.
It's more of a replacement for IRC, but we already have that as freenode
#openscad, which I see no reason to replace either.
Hans
On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 4:24 PM Doug Moen <doug@moens.org> wrote:
> Discourse is better for forum users but worse for email users. Since 2/3
> of the people on this discussion list are email users, their needs should
> be taken into account.
>
> When you post a message to Discourse, you do not specify a subject line.
> So the email generated by Discourse doesn't have a subject line, unlike
> what we get from Nabble. So OpenSCAD messages would not be threaded by
> subject in my email reader, and I wouldn't be able to ignore all the
> messages in a subject I don't care about. Also, there is a lot of
> boilerplate at the beginning of each email message you have to skip over to
> find the content. This is all very unpleasant, and not useable.
>
> Zulip is another popular, modern forum system. Zulip organizes the
> messages using the same structure as a mailing list. Each message has a
> subject line, and messages are threaded by subject. The Zulip documentation
> claims that you can use Zulip to replace an email list server. I don't know
> how useable it is, but it might be worth investigating if we have to move
> off Nabble.
>
> Google Groups is another potential replacement for Nabble. It is free.
>
> Xenforo looks expensive.
>
> _______________________________________________
> OpenSCAD mailing list
> Discuss@lists.openscad.org
> http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org
>
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Rick
Mon, Dec 7, 2020 3:49 PM
I like Digital Ocean, I use it sometimes, but I wouldn't use a forum.
Email is good for me.
On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 8:44 PM Hans L thehans@gmail.com wrote:
I was going to comment about my dislike of discourse, but just realized
Discord != Discourse. I actually have 0 experience with discourse, so no
idea how well suited it is. But I guess I'll go ahead and post this in
case anyone else was mixed up as I was.
My original message:
Yeah I'm personally not a big fan of Discourse Discord, and I don't
consider it a replacement for forum/mailing list for the same reason Doug
mentions. There's no separation into threads with titles, only channels.
It's more of a replacement for IRC, but we already have that as freenode
#openscad, which I see no reason to replace either.
Hans
On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 4:24 PM Doug Moen doug@moens.org wrote:
Discourse is better for forum users but worse for email users. Since 2/3
of the people on this discussion list are email users, their needs should
be taken into account.
When you post a message to Discourse, you do not specify a subject line.
So the email generated by Discourse doesn't have a subject line, unlike
what we get from Nabble. So OpenSCAD messages would not be threaded by
subject in my email reader, and I wouldn't be able to ignore all the
messages in a subject I don't care about. Also, there is a lot of
boilerplate at the beginning of each email message you have to skip over to
find the content. This is all very unpleasant, and not useable.
Zulip is another popular, modern forum system. Zulip organizes the
messages using the same structure as a mailing list. Each message has a
subject line, and messages are threaded by subject. The Zulip documentation
claims that you can use Zulip to replace an email list server. I don't know
how useable it is, but it might be worth investigating if we have to move
off Nabble.
Google Groups is another potential replacement for Nabble. It is free.
Xenforo looks expensive.
OpenSCAD mailing list
Discuss@lists.openscad.org
http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org
I like Digital Ocean, I use it sometimes, but I wouldn't use a forum.
Email is good for me.
On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 8:44 PM Hans L <thehans@gmail.com> wrote:
> I was going to comment about my dislike of discourse, but just realized
> Discord != Discourse. I actually have 0 experience with discourse, so no
> idea how well suited it is. But I guess I'll go ahead and post this in
> case anyone else was mixed up as I was.
>
> My original message:
> Yeah I'm personally not a big fan of Discourse Discord, and I don't
> consider it a replacement for forum/mailing list for the same reason Doug
> mentions. There's no separation into threads with titles, only channels.
> It's more of a replacement for IRC, but we already have that as freenode
> #openscad, which I see no reason to replace either.
>
> Hans
>
> On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 4:24 PM Doug Moen <doug@moens.org> wrote:
>
>> Discourse is better for forum users but worse for email users. Since 2/3
>> of the people on this discussion list are email users, their needs should
>> be taken into account.
>>
>> When you post a message to Discourse, you do not specify a subject line.
>> So the email generated by Discourse doesn't have a subject line, unlike
>> what we get from Nabble. So OpenSCAD messages would not be threaded by
>> subject in my email reader, and I wouldn't be able to ignore all the
>> messages in a subject I don't care about. Also, there is a lot of
>> boilerplate at the beginning of each email message you have to skip over to
>> find the content. This is all very unpleasant, and not useable.
>>
>> Zulip is another popular, modern forum system. Zulip organizes the
>> messages using the same structure as a mailing list. Each message has a
>> subject line, and messages are threaded by subject. The Zulip documentation
>> claims that you can use Zulip to replace an email list server. I don't know
>> how useable it is, but it might be worth investigating if we have to move
>> off Nabble.
>>
>> Google Groups is another potential replacement for Nabble. It is free.
>>
>> Xenforo looks expensive.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> OpenSCAD mailing list
>> Discuss@lists.openscad.org
>> http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org
>
AC
A. Craig West
Mon, Dec 7, 2020 4:06 PM
I have been on mailing lists that were totally killed by switching to be
primarily forum-based
On Mon, 7 Dec 2020, 10:50 Rick, graham.rick@gmail.com wrote:
I like Digital Ocean, I use it sometimes, but I wouldn't use a forum.
Email is good for me.
On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 8:44 PM Hans L thehans@gmail.com wrote:
I was going to comment about my dislike of discourse, but just realized
Discord != Discourse. I actually have 0 experience with discourse, so no
idea how well suited it is. But I guess I'll go ahead and post this in
case anyone else was mixed up as I was.
My original message:
Yeah I'm personally not a big fan of Discourse Discord, and I don't
consider it a replacement for forum/mailing list for the same reason Doug
mentions. There's no separation into threads with titles, only channels.
It's more of a replacement for IRC, but we already have that as freenode
#openscad, which I see no reason to replace either.
Hans
On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 4:24 PM Doug Moen doug@moens.org wrote:
Discourse is better for forum users but worse for email users. Since 2/3
of the people on this discussion list are email users, their needs should
be taken into account.
When you post a message to Discourse, you do not specify a subject line.
So the email generated by Discourse doesn't have a subject line, unlike
what we get from Nabble. So OpenSCAD messages would not be threaded by
subject in my email reader, and I wouldn't be able to ignore all the
messages in a subject I don't care about. Also, there is a lot of
boilerplate at the beginning of each email message you have to skip over to
find the content. This is all very unpleasant, and not useable.
Zulip is another popular, modern forum system. Zulip organizes the
messages using the same structure as a mailing list. Each message has a
subject line, and messages are threaded by subject. The Zulip documentation
claims that you can use Zulip to replace an email list server. I don't know
how useable it is, but it might be worth investigating if we have to move
off Nabble.
Google Groups is another potential replacement for Nabble. It is free.
Xenforo looks expensive.
OpenSCAD mailing list
Discuss@lists.openscad.org
http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org
I have been on mailing lists that were totally killed by switching to be
primarily forum-based
On Mon, 7 Dec 2020, 10:50 Rick, <graham.rick@gmail.com> wrote:
> I like Digital Ocean, I use it sometimes, but I wouldn't use a forum.
> Email is good for me.
>
> On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 8:44 PM Hans L <thehans@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I was going to comment about my dislike of discourse, but just realized
>> Discord != Discourse. I actually have 0 experience with discourse, so no
>> idea how well suited it is. But I guess I'll go ahead and post this in
>> case anyone else was mixed up as I was.
>>
>> My original message:
>> Yeah I'm personally not a big fan of Discourse Discord, and I don't
>> consider it a replacement for forum/mailing list for the same reason Doug
>> mentions. There's no separation into threads with titles, only channels.
>> It's more of a replacement for IRC, but we already have that as freenode
>> #openscad, which I see no reason to replace either.
>>
>> Hans
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 4:24 PM Doug Moen <doug@moens.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Discourse is better for forum users but worse for email users. Since 2/3
>>> of the people on this discussion list are email users, their needs should
>>> be taken into account.
>>>
>>> When you post a message to Discourse, you do not specify a subject line.
>>> So the email generated by Discourse doesn't have a subject line, unlike
>>> what we get from Nabble. So OpenSCAD messages would not be threaded by
>>> subject in my email reader, and I wouldn't be able to ignore all the
>>> messages in a subject I don't care about. Also, there is a lot of
>>> boilerplate at the beginning of each email message you have to skip over to
>>> find the content. This is all very unpleasant, and not useable.
>>>
>>> Zulip is another popular, modern forum system. Zulip organizes the
>>> messages using the same structure as a mailing list. Each message has a
>>> subject line, and messages are threaded by subject. The Zulip documentation
>>> claims that you can use Zulip to replace an email list server. I don't know
>>> how useable it is, but it might be worth investigating if we have to move
>>> off Nabble.
>>>
>>> Google Groups is another potential replacement for Nabble. It is free.
>>>
>>> Xenforo looks expensive.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> OpenSCAD mailing list
>>> Discuss@lists.openscad.org
>>> http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> OpenSCAD mailing list
>> Discuss@lists.openscad.org
>> http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org
>>
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TP
Torsten Paul
Mon, Dec 7, 2020 4:22 PM
As was mentioned before, Nabble might be dying any time. This
was announced some time ago, but did luckily not happen yet.
What would help is collecting options what to do if we need to
move away from Nabble (potentially quickly).
So far I've seen the following mentioned:
- Can be hosted on the existing Digital Ocean droplet, although
disk space could be a concern
- Provides script to import Nabble databases - not tested with
actual OpenSCAD forum backups though
- modern Forum
? Possible to self host?
- Mail handling better than Discourse
- BRL-CAD used it, but it seems they were more targeting it as
IRC replacement. They might move on to Matrix now. So maybe
it's still a better fit for forum/mailinglist style usage?
I'll have a look if it's still used and see how mail works.
ciao,
Torsten.
As was mentioned before, Nabble might be dying any time. This
was announced some time ago, but did luckily not happen yet.
What would help is collecting options what to do if we need to
move away from Nabble (potentially quickly).
So far I've seen the following mentioned:
* Discourse
-----------
+ Can be hosted on the existing Digital Ocean droplet, although
disk space could be a concern
+ Provides script to import Nabble databases - not tested with
actual OpenSCAD forum backups though
+ modern Forum
- Mail support minimal
* Zulip
-------
? Possible to self host?
+ Mail handling better than Discourse
- BRL-CAD used it, but it seems they were more targeting it as
IRC replacement. They might move on to Matrix now. So maybe
it's still a better fit for forum/mailinglist style usage?
I'll have a look if it's still used and see how mail works.
ciao,
Torsten.
F
fred
Mon, Dec 7, 2020 5:32 PM
I don't consider myself to be particularly qualified to assess this discussion, but have noted that groups.io has not been considered as a list replacement. It has both a forum of sorts and an email list resource. There's a free segment with file storage limitations and a paid version with fewer restrictions.
Just an option, I suggest.
On Monday, December 7, 2020, 11:23:38 AM EST, Torsten Paul <torsten.paul@gmx.de> wrote:
As was mentioned before, Nabble might be dying any time. This
was announced some time ago, but did luckily not happen yet.
What would help is collecting options what to do if we need to
move away from Nabble (potentially quickly).
So far I've seen the following mentioned:
- Can be hosted on the existing Digital Ocean droplet, although
disk space could be a concern
- Provides script to import Nabble databases - not tested with
actual OpenSCAD forum backups though
- modern Forum
? Possible to self host?
- Mail handling better than Discourse
- BRL-CAD used it, but it seems they were more targeting it as
IRC replacement. They might move on to Matrix now. So maybe
it's still a better fit for forum/mailinglist style usage?
I'll have a look if it's still used and see how mail works.
ciao,
Torsten.
OpenSCAD mailing list
Discuss@lists.openscad.org
http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org
I don't consider myself to be particularly qualified to assess this discussion, but have noted that groups.io has not been considered as a list replacement. It has both a forum of sorts and an email list resource. There's a free segment with file storage limitations and a paid version with fewer restrictions.
Just an option, I suggest.
On Monday, December 7, 2020, 11:23:38 AM EST, Torsten Paul <torsten.paul@gmx.de> wrote:
As was mentioned before, Nabble might be dying any time. This
was announced some time ago, but did luckily not happen yet.
What would help is collecting options what to do if we need to
move away from Nabble (potentially quickly).
So far I've seen the following mentioned:
* Discourse
-----------
+ Can be hosted on the existing Digital Ocean droplet, although
disk space could be a concern
+ Provides script to import Nabble databases - not tested with
actual OpenSCAD forum backups though
+ modern Forum
- Mail support minimal
* Zulip
-------
? Possible to self host?
+ Mail handling better than Discourse
- BRL-CAD used it, but it seems they were more targeting it as
IRC replacement. They might move on to Matrix now. So maybe
it's still a better fit for forum/mailinglist style usage?
I'll have a look if it's still used and see how mail works.
ciao,
Torsten.
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