I found a bug that was causing the textures to happen.
This looks interesting
Can you share the reference paper?
On Tue, 15 Oct, 2024, 2:31 am Nathan Hellweg via Discuss, <
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Of course.
It was at:
http://www.math.tau.ac.il/~niradyn/papers/butterfly.pdf
but the link isn't super reliable, so I've attached a copy.
On Tue, Oct 15, 2024 at 04:27:55AM +0530, Sanjeev Prabhakar wrote:
This looks interesting
Can you share the reference paper?
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Thanks Nathan
Let me read and see what can be done with this new knowledge
On Tue, 15 Oct, 2024, 6:43 am Nathan Hellweg, <
nate-openscadforum@pedantic.org> wrote:
Of course.
It was at:
http://www.math.tau.ac.il/~niradyn/papers/butterfly.pdf
but the link isn't super reliable, so I've attached a copy.
On Tue, Oct 15, 2024 at 04:27:55AM +0530, Sanjeev Prabhakar wrote:
This looks interesting
Can you share the reference paper?
On Tue, 15 Oct, 2024, 2:31???am Nathan Hellweg via Discuss, <
discuss@lists.openscad.org> wrote:
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Sanjeev & Nathan,
Another potential source for this topic is Gerald Farin's "Curves and
Surfaces for CAGD: a practical guide". When I was looking up the proper
name I found an PDF version online <
https://www.cin.ufpe.br/~mdlm/files/Farin-5a_edicao.pdf> As a note, I
think one of the big additions starting with his 5'th addition was the
introduction of "Blossom" notation (which simplified many of the equations
by a factor of 5 or 10). It has been decades since I took his CAGD class,
and probably have forgotten most of the details, but he has some gems in
there with surface decimation and interpolation.
Hope this helps,
EBo --
On Mon, Oct 14, 2024 at 10:10 PM Sanjeev Prabhakar via Discuss <
discuss@lists.openscad.org> wrote:
Thanks Nathan
Let me read and see what can be done with this new knowledge
On Tue, 15 Oct, 2024, 6:43 am Nathan Hellweg, <
nate-openscadforum@pedantic.org> wrote:
Of course.
It was at:
http://www.math.tau.ac.il/~niradyn/papers/butterfly.pdf
but the link isn't super reliable, so I've attached a copy.
On Tue, Oct 15, 2024 at 04:27:55AM +0530, Sanjeev Prabhakar wrote:
This looks interesting
Can you share the reference paper?
On Tue, 15 Oct, 2024, 2:31???am Nathan Hellweg via Discuss, <
discuss@lists.openscad.org> wrote:
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Wow
Great and Thanks John for sharing this book
There is a lot to study now for me in next few weekends.
On Wed, 16 Oct, 2024, 5:11 pm John David, ebo.2112@gmail.com wrote:
Sanjeev & Nathan,
Another potential source for this topic is Gerald Farin's "Curves and
Surfaces for CAGD: a practical guide". When I was looking up the proper
name I found an PDF version online <
https://www.cin.ufpe.br/~mdlm/files/Farin-5a_edicao.pdf> As a note, I
think one of the big additions starting with his 5'th addition was the
introduction of "Blossom" notation (which simplified many of the equations
by a factor of 5 or 10). It has been decades since I took his CAGD class,
and probably have forgotten most of the details, but he has some gems in
there with surface decimation and interpolation.
Hope this helps,
EBo --
On Mon, Oct 14, 2024 at 10:10 PM Sanjeev Prabhakar via Discuss <
discuss@lists.openscad.org> wrote:
Thanks Nathan
Let me read and see what can be done with this new knowledge
On Tue, 15 Oct, 2024, 6:43 am Nathan Hellweg, <
nate-openscadforum@pedantic.org> wrote:
Of course.
It was at:
http://www.math.tau.ac.il/~niradyn/papers/butterfly.pdf
but the link isn't super reliable, so I've attached a copy.
On Tue, Oct 15, 2024 at 04:27:55AM +0530, Sanjeev Prabhakar wrote:
This looks interesting
Can you share the reference paper?
On Tue, 15 Oct, 2024, 2:31???am Nathan Hellweg via Discuss, <
discuss@lists.openscad.org> wrote:
I found a bug that was causing the textures to happen.
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I started reading on this, and ran into some confusion about the norm ellipse
stuff in Chapter 2. I found errata about it at:
https://www.farinhansford.com/books/cagd/errata5.html
Which include:
...
p. 20, Section 2.3 should be skipped because the equation P^TAP = I is incorrect. Also, the ellipse in Figure 2.5 is not accurate. For a derivation of the norm ellipse, see our lecture slides for Practical Linear Algebra. Start at slide 35 - principal components analysis in the file http://www.farinhansford.com/books/pla/material/chap16.pdf (Karen Daniels, Bob Marceau, Franck Kamayou, and Adam Russell) [11/14].
...
But, the referenced pdf doesn't seem to mention norm ellipses at all. (The only
referenced ellipse is an "action ellipse".) Do you remember anything about
that? I've also tried searching for "norm ellipse" on line without finding
clarification. FWIW, it also looks like "norm ellipse" doesn't show up
anywhere else in the book. So maybe I should just leave it be and read on.
On Wed, Oct 16, 2024 at 07:41:41AM -0400, John David wrote:
Sanjeev & Nathan,
Another potential source for this topic is Gerald Farin's "Curves and
Surfaces for CAGD: a practical guide". When I was looking up the proper
name I found an PDF version online <
https://www.cin.ufpe.br/~mdlm/files/Farin-5a_edicao.pdf> As a note, I
think one of the big additions starting with his 5'th addition was the
introduction of "Blossom" notation (which simplified many of the equations
by a factor of 5 or 10). It has been decades since I took his CAGD class,
and probably have forgotten most of the details, but he has some gems in
there with surface decimation and interpolation.
Hope this helps,
EBo --
--
Nathan
Not off the top of my head (it has been 20+ years since I first cracked the
book), but give me a couple of days to check.
I started writing a note about the two different CAGD series, the one with
his wife Dianne Hansford "Essentials of CAGD", and Gerald Farin's "Curves
and Surfaces: a practical guide". But I see that the erata is specifically
on a website for the 5'th edition. That said, I will give it a quick try:
I think his reference to the "norm ellipse" is to the references he gives
(including [90] F. Bookstein. Fitting conic sections to scattered data.
CGIP, 9:56-71,1979). I see the term "norm ellipse" used in figure 2.5 (pg
22) and elsewhere on pages 20, and 21. One other term that might be helpful
is osculating circles and planes (pg. 179-189) and see if that helps.
I think this is one that you might have to write Dianne about (the erata
site gives her email address).
Hope this helps.
EBo --
On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 10:31 AM Nathan Hellweg <
nate-openscadforum@pedantic.org> wrote:
I started reading on this, and ran into some confusion about the norm
ellipse
stuff in Chapter 2. I found errata about it at:
https://www.farinhansford.com/books/cagd/errata5.html
Which include:
...
p. 20, Section 2.3 should be skipped because the equation P^TAP = I is
incorrect. Also, the ellipse in Figure 2.5 is not accurate. For a
derivation of the norm ellipse, see our lecture slides for Practical Linear
Algebra. Start at slide 35 - principal components analysis in the file
http://www.farinhansford.com/books/pla/material/chap16.pdf (Karen
Daniels, Bob Marceau, Franck Kamayou, and Adam Russell) [11/14].
...
But, the referenced pdf doesn't seem to mention norm ellipses at all.
(The only
referenced ellipse is an "action ellipse".) Do you remember anything about
that? I've also tried searching for "norm ellipse" on line without finding
clarification. FWIW, it also looks like "norm ellipse" doesn't show up
anywhere else in the book. So maybe I should just leave it be and read on.
On Wed, Oct 16, 2024 at 07:41:41AM -0400, John David wrote:
Sanjeev & Nathan,
Another potential source for this topic is Gerald Farin's "Curves and
Surfaces for CAGD: a practical guide". When I was looking up the proper
name I found an PDF version online <
https://www.cin.ufpe.br/~mdlm/files/Farin-5a_edicao.pdf> As a note, I
think one of the big additions starting with his 5'th addition was the
introduction of "Blossom" notation (which simplified many of the
equations
by a factor of 5 or 10). It has been decades since I took his CAGD
class,
and probably have forgotten most of the details, but he has some gems in
there with surface decimation and interpolation.
Hope this helps,
EBo --
--
Nathan
Thank you. It just seemed like something that might have come up for someone
who went through the book in the past. I did also notice a typesetting error
that isn't mentioned in the errata list. So I guess I can write to her.
On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 06:10:24PM -0400, John David wrote:
Not off the top of my head (it has been 20+ years since I first cracked the
book), but give me a couple of days to check.
I started writing a note about the two different CAGD series, the one with
his wife Dianne Hansford "Essentials of CAGD", and Gerald Farin's "Curves
and Surfaces: a practical guide". But I see that the erata is specifically
on a website for the 5'th edition. That said, I will give it a quick try:
I think his reference to the "norm ellipse" is to the references he gives
(including [90] F. Bookstein. Fitting conic sections to scattered data.
CGIP, 9:56-71,1979). I see the term "norm ellipse" used in figure 2.5 (pg
22) and elsewhere on pages 20, and 21. One other term that might be helpful
is osculating circles and planes (pg. 179-189) and see if that helps.
I think this is one that you might have to write Dianne about (the erata
site gives her email address).
Hope this helps.
EBo --
On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 10:31???AM Nathan Hellweg <
nate-openscadforum@pedantic.org> wrote:
I started reading on this, and ran into some confusion about the norm
ellipse
stuff in Chapter 2. I found errata about it at:https://www.farinhansford.com/books/cagd/errata5.html
Which include:
...
p. 20, Section 2.3 should be skipped because the equation P^TAP = I is
incorrect. Also, the ellipse in Figure 2.5 is not accurate. For a
derivation of the norm ellipse, see our lecture slides for Practical Linear
Algebra. Start at slide 35 - principal components analysis in the file
http://www.farinhansford.com/books/pla/material/chap16.pdf (Karen
Daniels, Bob Marceau, Franck Kamayou, and Adam Russell) [11/14].
...But, the referenced pdf doesn't seem to mention norm ellipses at all.
(The only
referenced ellipse is an "action ellipse".) Do you remember anything about
that? I've also tried searching for "norm ellipse" on line without finding
clarification. FWIW, it also looks like "norm ellipse" doesn't show up
anywhere else in the book. So maybe I should just leave it be and read on.On Wed, Oct 16, 2024 at 07:41:41AM -0400, John David wrote:
Sanjeev & Nathan,
Another potential source for this topic is Gerald Farin's "Curves and
Surfaces for CAGD: a practical guide". When I was looking up the proper
name I found an PDF version online <
https://www.cin.ufpe.br/~mdlm/files/Farin-5a_edicao.pdf> As a note, I
think one of the big additions starting with his 5'th addition was the
introduction of "Blossom" notation (which simplified many of the
equations
by a factor of 5 or 10). It has been decades since I took his CAGD
class,
and probably have forgotten most of the details, but he has some gems in
there with surface decimation and interpolation.Hope this helps,
EBo --
--
Nathan