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MichaelAtOz
Mon, Jan 25, 2021 2:18 AM

JordanBrown wrote

I believe that for most mail users, images are seamlessly integrated. 
What doesn't end up seamlessly integrated in the e-mail feed is, I
believe, the images that originate at the forum software.  (I just
checked, and one of the messages I recently sent with an image in it is
shown properly on the forum.)

The Forum posts used to do inline images, and other Nabble Fora do support
them,
but I suspect they are not types with an integrated external Mailing-list.
I believe it changed when Nabble only instantiated the posts after getting
them
back from the Mailing-list, I believe that was intended to fight Spam.

If there are any Mailman V2 specialists out there, perhaps you could assist.


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JordanBrown wrote > I believe that for most mail users, images are seamlessly integrated.  > What doesn't end up seamlessly integrated in the e-mail feed is, I > believe, the images that originate at the forum software.  (I just > checked, and one of the messages I recently sent with an image in it is > shown properly on the forum.) The Forum posts used to do inline images, and other Nabble Fora do support them, but I suspect they are not types with an integrated external Mailing-list. I believe it changed when Nabble only instantiated the posts after getting them back from the Mailing-list, I believe that was intended to fight Spam. If there are any Mailman V2 specialists out there, perhaps you could assist. ----- OpenSCAD Admin - email* me if you need anything, or if I've done something stupid... * on the Forum, click on my MichaelAtOz label, there is a link to email me. Unless specifically shown otherwise above, my contribution is in the Public Domain; to the extent possible under law, I have waived all copyright and related or neighbouring rights to this work. Obviously inclusion of works of previous authors is not included in the above. -- Sent from: http://forum.openscad.org/
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JordanBrown
Mon, Jan 25, 2021 7:54 PM

[ Test message ]

JordanBrown wrote

I believe that for most mail users, images are seamlessly integrated. 
What doesn't end up seamlessly integrated in the e-mail feed is, I
believe, the images that originate at the forum software.  (I just
checked, and one of the messages I recently sent with an image in it is
shown properly on the forum.)

Testing posting images from the forum...
First test:  can't just paste an image.

Saving the image as a file and [Insert Image]...
http://forum.openscad.org/file/t1912/deleteme.png
Doesn't show the image, just adds an XML-style tag.
But shows it OK in preview.

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[ Test message ] JordanBrown wrote > I believe that for most mail users, images are seamlessly integrated.  > What doesn't end up seamlessly integrated in the e-mail feed is, I > believe, the images that originate at the forum software.  (I just > checked, and one of the messages I recently sent with an image in it is > shown properly on the forum.) Testing posting images from the forum... First test: can't just paste an image. Saving the image as a file and [Insert Image]... <http://forum.openscad.org/file/t1912/deleteme.png> Doesn't show the image, just adds an XML-style tag. But shows it OK in preview. -- Sent from: http://forum.openscad.org/
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lar3ry
Mon, Jan 25, 2021 10:24 PM

acwest wrote

I know I would be gone if the mailing list wasn't good enough. Forums
require you to choose to go to the forum, choose a top to read, etc. A
miasling list, you just read messages as they come in. I have way too many
things I am following to put that much attention into any one thing

I get the emails, and if any of them look interesting enough, I go to the
forum to read the thread, and to possibly comment. I have sent emails to
comment, but only a very few. I have no problem dealing with fora, and if I
could only have one or the other, I would choose the forum every time. I
would also like to say that I am no millennial, having built my first
computer in 1976, 10 years after getting into the computer field as a
technician.

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acwest wrote > I know I would be gone if the mailing list wasn't good enough. Forums > require you to choose to go to the forum, choose a top to read, etc. A > miasling list, you just read messages as they come in. I have way too many > things I am following to put that much attention into any one thing I get the emails, and if any of them look interesting enough, I go to the forum to read the thread, and to possibly comment. I have sent emails to comment, but only a very few. I have no problem dealing with fora, and if I could only have one or the other, I would choose the forum every time. I would also like to say that I am no millennial, having built my first computer in 1976, 10 years after getting into the computer field as a technician. -- Sent from: http://forum.openscad.org/
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JordanBrown
Mon, Jan 25, 2021 11:12 PM

[ Another test message ]

This text is bold.  This text is in /italics/.  The OpenSCAD main page is
here http://openscad.org  .

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[ Another test message ] This text is *bold*. This text is in /italics/. The OpenSCAD main page is here <http://openscad.org> . -- Sent from: http://forum.openscad.org/
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JordanBrown
Mon, Jan 25, 2021 11:14 PM

[ And another test message.  This one has "message is in HTML" checked. ]This
is in bold.An image: http://forum.openscad.org/file/t1912/deleteme.png

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[ And another test message. This one has "message is in HTML" checked. ]This is in *bold*.An image: <http://forum.openscad.org/file/t1912/deleteme.png> -- Sent from: http://forum.openscad.org/
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Troberg
Tue, Jan 26, 2021 11:29 AM

Troberg wrote

Troberg wrote

Also, realistically, who many active users do we have on the mailing
list?
20? 50? We may very well be looking at survivor bias, ie a skewed result
because we are only asking the people who bothered to stay. Kind of like
how
they in WW2 checked where the bullet holes were in aircraft after
missions
to see which parts to harden with more armor, which, oddly enough were
non-vital parts, because they were checking the aircraft that got home,
not
the ones that didn't make it home.

Just for to test this hypothesis, I'll ask people on the OpenSCAD
subreddit
why they are there instead of the mailing list. It would be interesting to
hear their opinion.

OK, here's the result:
https://www.reddit.com/r/openscad/comments/l3ybcl/openscad_mailing_list/

Some interesting points, draw your own conclusions.

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Troberg wrote > Troberg wrote >> Also, realistically, who many active users do we have on the mailing >> list? >> 20? 50? We may very well be looking at survivor bias, ie a skewed result >> because we are only asking the people who bothered to stay. Kind of like >> how >> they in WW2 checked where the bullet holes were in aircraft after >> missions >> to see which parts to harden with more armor, which, oddly enough were >> non-vital parts, because they were checking the aircraft that got home, >> not >> the ones that didn't make it home. > > Just for to test this hypothesis, I'll ask people on the OpenSCAD > subreddit > why they are there instead of the mailing list. It would be interesting to > hear their opinion. OK, here's the result: https://www.reddit.com/r/openscad/comments/l3ybcl/openscad_mailing_list/ Some interesting points, draw your own conclusions. -- Sent from: http://forum.openscad.org/
JF
Joe Francis
Tue, Jan 26, 2021 2:40 PM

Sure sounds like if we ask on a forum, people want a forum.  If we ask
on a mailing list, people want a mailing list.

On 1/26/21 5:29 AM, Troberg wrote:

Troberg wrote

Troberg wrote

Also, realistically, who many active users do we have on the mailing
list?
20? 50? We may very well be looking at survivor bias, ie a skewed result
because we are only asking the people who bothered to stay. Kind of like
how
they in WW2 checked where the bullet holes were in aircraft after
missions
to see which parts to harden with more armor, which, oddly enough were
non-vital parts, because they were checking the aircraft that got home,
not
the ones that didn't make it home.

Just for to test this hypothesis, I'll ask people on the OpenSCAD
subreddit
why they are there instead of the mailing list. It would be interesting to
hear their opinion.

Sure sounds like if we ask on a forum, people want a forum.  If we ask on a mailing list, people want a mailing list. On 1/26/21 5:29 AM, Troberg wrote: > Troberg wrote >> Troberg wrote >>> Also, realistically, who many active users do we have on the mailing >>> list? >>> 20? 50? We may very well be looking at survivor bias, ie a skewed result >>> because we are only asking the people who bothered to stay. Kind of like >>> how >>> they in WW2 checked where the bullet holes were in aircraft after >>> missions >>> to see which parts to harden with more armor, which, oddly enough were >>> non-vital parts, because they were checking the aircraft that got home, >>> not >>> the ones that didn't make it home. >> Just for to test this hypothesis, I'll ask people on the OpenSCAD >> subreddit >> why they are there instead of the mailing list. It would be interesting to >> hear their opinion. > OK, here's the result: > https://www.reddit.com/r/openscad/comments/l3ybcl/openscad_mailing_list/ > > Some interesting points, draw your own conclusions. > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.openscad.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > OpenSCAD mailing list > Discuss@lists.openscad.org > http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org >
JB
Jordan Brown
Tue, Jan 26, 2021 6:21 PM

On 1/26/2021 3:29 AM, Troberg wrote:

OK, here's the result:

https://www.reddit.com/r/openscad/comments/l3ybcl/openscad_mailing_list/

Some interesting points, draw your own conclusions.

One thing that I thought interesting was the repeated comment that they
liked the "one stop shopping" aspect of reddit, that they didn't have to
visit a separate forum.  That's the exact reason why I prefer a mailing
list - it feeds into my primary "communications hub".

I asked earlier, but didn't get any responses, perhaps because it was at
the bottom of a longer message:  Why don't forum fans use the subreddit,
the Thingiverse group, or the Facebook page?  What is it that they lack
that you want?

On 1/26/2021 3:29 AM, Troberg wrote: > OK, here's the result: > > https://www.reddit.com/r/openscad/comments/l3ybcl/openscad_mailing_list/ > > Some interesting points, draw your own conclusions. > One thing that I thought interesting was the repeated comment that they liked the "one stop shopping" aspect of reddit, that they didn't have to visit a separate forum.  That's the exact reason why I prefer a mailing list - it feeds into my primary "communications hub". I asked earlier, but didn't get any responses, perhaps because it was at the bottom of a longer message:  Why don't forum fans use the subreddit, the Thingiverse group, or the Facebook page?  What is it that they lack that you want?
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Troberg
Tue, Jan 26, 2021 7:23 PM

OpenSCAD mailing list-2 wrote

Sure sounds like if we ask on a forum, people want a forum.  If we ask
on a mailing list, people want a mailing list.

True, but the reasons are still interesting.

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OpenSCAD mailing list-2 wrote > Sure sounds like if we ask on a forum, people want a forum.  If we ask > on a mailing list, people want a mailing list. True, but the reasons are still interesting. -- Sent from: http://forum.openscad.org/
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Troberg
Tue, Jan 26, 2021 7:25 PM

JordanBrown wrote

One thing that I thought interesting was the repeated comment that they
liked the "one stop shopping" aspect of reddit, that they didn't have to
visit a separate forum.  That's the exact reason why I prefer a mailing
list - it feeds into my primary "communications hub".

I don't really get that. I have 50 tabs open in my browser anyway, one more
or less does not matter.

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JordanBrown wrote > One thing that I thought interesting was the repeated comment that they > liked the "one stop shopping" aspect of reddit, that they didn't have to > visit a separate forum.  That's the exact reason why I prefer a mailing > list - it feeds into my primary "communications hub". I don't really get that. I have 50 tabs open in my browser anyway, one more or less does not matter. -- Sent from: http://forum.openscad.org/