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Torsten Paul

Tue, Dec 25, 2018 11:29 AM

On 25.12.18 12:19, nop head wrote:

What do the ampersands in menu names mean? E.g. <string>P&aste viewport translation</string>

Quoting Wikipedia: "A mnemonic is an underlined alphanumeric character,
typically appearing in a menu title, menu item, or the text of a button
or component of the user interface."

In this case it would be used via ALT+E (to open the Design menu) and
then the "a" key which is the mnemonic to paste the viewport translation.

ciao,
Torsten.

On 25.12.18 12:19, nop head wrote: > What do the ampersands in menu names mean? E.g. <string>P&aste viewport translation</string> Quoting Wikipedia: "A mnemonic is an underlined alphanumeric character, typically appearing in a menu title, menu item, or the text of a button or component of the user interface." In this case it would be used via ALT+E (to open the Design menu) and then the "a" key which is the mnemonic to paste the viewport translation. ciao, Torsten.

NH

nop head

Tue, Dec 25, 2018 11:39 AM

But they are not underlined on Win7. They do seem to work if you type them
but there is no clue to what they are.

They are underlined in LibraOffice though, so is this a bug in OpenSCAD?

On Tue, 25 Dec 2018 at 11:30, Torsten Paul Torsten.Paul@gmx.de wrote:

On 25.12.18 12:19, nop head wrote:

What do the ampersands in menu names mean? E.g. <string>P&aste

viewport translation</string>

Quoting Wikipedia: "A mnemonic is an underlined alphanumeric character,
typically appearing in a menu title, menu item, or the text of a button
or component of the user interface."

In this case it would be used via ALT+E (to open the Design menu) and
then the "a" key which is the mnemonic to paste the viewport translation.

ciao,
Torsten.

OpenSCAD mailing list
Discuss@lists.openscad.org
http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org

But they are not underlined on Win7. They do seem to work if you type them but there is no clue to what they are. They are underlined in LibraOffice though, so is this a bug in OpenSCAD? On Tue, 25 Dec 2018 at 11:30, Torsten Paul <Torsten.Paul@gmx.de> wrote: > On 25.12.18 12:19, nop head wrote: > > What do the ampersands in menu names mean? E.g. <string>P&aste > viewport translation</string> > > Quoting Wikipedia: "A mnemonic is an underlined alphanumeric character, > typically appearing in a menu title, menu item, or the text of a button > or component of the user interface." > > In this case it would be used via ALT+E (to open the Design menu) and > then the "a" key which is the mnemonic to paste the viewport translation. > > ciao, > Torsten. > > _______________________________________________ > OpenSCAD mailing list > Discuss@lists.openscad.org > http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org >

NH

nop head

Tue, Dec 25, 2018 12:21 PM

Ahh they only appear if I open the menu with ALT. Same on an MFC
application I wrote myself 18 years ago, so I must have known about it then!

On Tue, 25 Dec 2018 at 11:39, nop head nop.head@gmail.com wrote:

But they are not underlined on Win7. They do seem to work if you type them
but there is no clue to what they are.

They are underlined in LibraOffice though, so is this a bug in OpenSCAD?

On Tue, 25 Dec 2018 at 11:30, Torsten Paul Torsten.Paul@gmx.de wrote:

On 25.12.18 12:19, nop head wrote:

What do the ampersands in menu names mean? E.g. <string>P&aste

viewport translation</string>

Quoting Wikipedia: "A mnemonic is an underlined alphanumeric character,
typically appearing in a menu title, menu item, or the text of a button
or component of the user interface."

In this case it would be used via ALT+E (to open the Design menu) and
then the "a" key which is the mnemonic to paste the viewport translation.

ciao,
Torsten.

OpenSCAD mailing list
Discuss@lists.openscad.org
http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org

Ahh they only appear if I open the menu with ALT. Same on an MFC application I wrote myself 18 years ago, so I must have known about it then! On Tue, 25 Dec 2018 at 11:39, nop head <nop.head@gmail.com> wrote: > But they are not underlined on Win7. They do seem to work if you type them > but there is no clue to what they are. > > They are underlined in LibraOffice though, so is this a bug in OpenSCAD? > > On Tue, 25 Dec 2018 at 11:30, Torsten Paul <Torsten.Paul@gmx.de> wrote: > >> On 25.12.18 12:19, nop head wrote: >> > What do the ampersands in menu names mean? E.g. <string>P&aste >> viewport translation</string> >> >> Quoting Wikipedia: "A mnemonic is an underlined alphanumeric character, >> typically appearing in a menu title, menu item, or the text of a button >> or component of the user interface." >> >> In this case it would be used via ALT+E (to open the Design menu) and >> then the "a" key which is the mnemonic to paste the viewport translation. >> >> ciao, >> Torsten. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OpenSCAD mailing list >> Discuss@lists.openscad.org >> http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org >> >

M

MichaelAtOz

Tue, Dec 25, 2018 9:02 PM

nophead wrote

Ahh they only appear if I open the menu with ALT.

One of the worst changes in Windows 7 was to hide these 'Access Keys' as
Microsoft calls them, unless activated by the keyboard. I have this two
handed technique, click on the menu, then use the other hand to hit the
access key.Then they disppearded...However you can restore the XP behaviour
https://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/178303-keyboard-shortcuts-access-keys-underline.html
.

Admin - email* me if you need anything, or if I've done something stupid...

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nophead wrote > Ahh they only appear if I open the menu with ALT. One of the worst changes in Windows 7 was to hide these 'Access Keys' as Microsoft calls them, unless activated by the keyboard. I have this two handed technique, click on the menu, then use the other hand to hit the access key.Then they disppearded...However you can restore the XP behaviour <https://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/178303-keyboard-shortcuts-access-keys-underline.html> . ----- Admin - email* me if you need anything, or if I've done something stupid... * click on my MichaelAtOz label, there is a link to email me. Unless specifically shown otherwise above, my contribution is in the Public Domain; to the extent possible under law, I have waived all copyright and related or neighbouring rights to this work. Obviously inclusion of works of previous authors is not included in the above. The TPP is no simple “trade agreement.” Fight it! http://www.ourfairdeal.org/ time is running out! -- Sent from: http://forum.openscad.org/

NH

nop head

Wed, Dec 26, 2018 10:04 AM

Thanks, that works. I think Windows peaked at XP and has gone downhill
since.

On Tue, 25 Dec 2018 at 21:03, MichaelAtOz oz.at.michael@gmail.com wrote:

nophead wrote
Ahh they only appear if I open the menu with ALT.

One of the worst changes in Windows 7 was to hide these 'Access Keys' as
Microsoft calls them, unless activated by the keyboard. I have this two
handed technique, click on the menu, then use the other hand to hit the
access key. Then they disppearded... However you can restore the XP
behaviour
https://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/178303-keyboard-shortcuts-access-keys-underline.html.

Admin - email me if you need anything, *
or if I've done something stupid...

click on my MichaelAtOz label, there is a link to email me.

Unless specifically shown otherwise above, my contribution is in the
Public Domain; to the extent possible under law, I have waived all
copyright and related or neighbouring rights to this work.
Obviously inclusion of works of previous authors is not included in the
above.

The TPP is no simple “trade agreement.” Fight it!
http://www.ourfairdeal.org/ time is running out!

Sent from the OpenSCAD mailing list archive http://forum.openscad.org/
at Nabble.com.

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Thanks, that works. I think Windows peaked at XP and has gone downhill since. On Tue, 25 Dec 2018 at 21:03, MichaelAtOz <oz.at.michael@gmail.com> wrote: > nophead wrote > Ahh they only appear if I open the menu with ALT. > > One of the worst changes in Windows 7 was to hide these 'Access Keys' as > Microsoft calls them, unless activated by the keyboard. I have this two > handed technique, click on the menu, then use the other hand to hit the > access key. Then they disppearded... However you can restore the XP > behaviour > <https://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/178303-keyboard-shortcuts-access-keys-underline.html>. > > *Admin - email* me if you need anything, * > or if I've done something stupid... > * click on my MichaelAtOz label, there is a link to email me. > > Unless specifically shown otherwise above, my contribution is in the > Public Domain; to the extent possible under law, I have waived all > copyright and related or neighbouring rights to this work. > Obviously inclusion of works of previous authors is not included in the > above. > > The *TPP* is no simple *“trade agreement.”* *Fight it!* > http://www.ourfairdeal.org/ *time is running out!* > > ------------------------------ > Sent from the OpenSCAD mailing list archive <http://forum.openscad.org/> > at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > OpenSCAD mailing list > Discuss@lists.openscad.org > http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org >

RW

Rob Ward

Wed, Dec 26, 2018 10:26 AM

That is why we have Linux Distros like Ubuntu Mate, to rejoice in functionality over those capitalistic urges just makes money from a phoney makeover of crap "improvements".
Cheers, RobW

On 26 December 2018 9:04:07 pm AEDT, nop head nop.head@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks, that works. I think Windows peaked at XP and has gone downhill
since.

On Tue, 25 Dec 2018 at 21:03, MichaelAtOz oz.at.michael@gmail.com
wrote:

nophead wrote
Ahh they only appear if I open the menu with ALT.

One of the worst changes in Windows 7 was to hide these 'Access Keys'

as

Microsoft calls them, unless activated by the keyboard. I have this

two

handed technique, click on the menu, then use the other hand to hit

the

access key. Then they disppearded... However you can restore the XP
behaviour

https://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/178303-keyboard-shortcuts-access-keys-underline.html.

Admin - email me if you need anything, *
or if I've done something stupid...

click on my MichaelAtOz label, there is a link to email me.

Unless specifically shown otherwise above, my contribution is in the
Public Domain; to the extent possible under law, I have waived all
copyright and related or neighbouring rights to this work.
Obviously inclusion of works of previous authors is not included in

the

above.

The TPP is no simple “trade agreement.” Fight it!
http://www.ourfairdeal.org/ time is running out!

Sent from the OpenSCAD mailing list archive

http://forum.openscad.org/

at Nabble.com.

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That is why we have Linux Distros like Ubuntu Mate, to rejoice in functionality over those capitalistic urges just makes money from a phoney makeover of crap "improvements". Cheers, RobW On 26 December 2018 9:04:07 pm AEDT, nop head <nop.head@gmail.com> wrote: >Thanks, that works. I think Windows peaked at XP and has gone downhill >since. > >On Tue, 25 Dec 2018 at 21:03, MichaelAtOz <oz.at.michael@gmail.com> >wrote: > >> nophead wrote >> Ahh they only appear if I open the menu with ALT. >> >> One of the worst changes in Windows 7 was to hide these 'Access Keys' >as >> Microsoft calls them, unless activated by the keyboard. I have this >two >> handed technique, click on the menu, then use the other hand to hit >the >> access key. Then they disppearded... However you can restore the XP >> behaviour >> ><https://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/178303-keyboard-shortcuts-access-keys-underline.html>. >> >> *Admin - email* me if you need anything, * >> or if I've done something stupid... >> * click on my MichaelAtOz label, there is a link to email me. >> >> Unless specifically shown otherwise above, my contribution is in the >> Public Domain; to the extent possible under law, I have waived all >> copyright and related or neighbouring rights to this work. >> Obviously inclusion of works of previous authors is not included in >the >> above. >> >> The *TPP* is no simple *“trade agreement.”* *Fight it!* >> http://www.ourfairdeal.org/ *time is running out!* >> >> ------------------------------ >> Sent from the OpenSCAD mailing list archive ><http://forum.openscad.org/> >> at Nabble.com. >> _______________________________________________ >> OpenSCAD mailing list >> Discuss@lists.openscad.org >> http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org >>

NH

nop head

Wed, Dec 26, 2018 12:36 PM

So true!

The PR is here: https://github.com/openscad/openscad/pull/2653

On Wed, 26 Dec 2018 at 10:26, Rob Ward rl.ward@bigpond.com wrote:

That is why we have Linux Distros like Ubuntu Mate, to rejoice in
functionality over those capitalistic urges just makes money from a phoney
makeover of crap "improvements".
Cheers, RobW

On 26 December 2018 9:04:07 pm AEDT, nop head nop.head@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks, that works. I think Windows peaked at XP and has gone downhill
since.

On Tue, 25 Dec 2018 at 21:03, MichaelAtOz oz.at.michael@gmail.com
wrote:

nophead wrote
Ahh they only appear if I open the menu with ALT.

One of the worst changes in Windows 7 was to hide these 'Access Keys' as
Microsoft calls them, unless activated by the keyboard. I have this two
handed technique, click on the menu, then use the other hand to hit the
access key. Then they disppearded... However you can restore the XP
behaviour
https://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/178303-keyboard-shortcuts-access-keys-underline.html.

Admin - email me if you need anything, *
or if I've done something stupid...

click on my MichaelAtOz label, there is a link to email me.

Unless specifically shown otherwise above, my contribution is in the
Public Domain; to the extent possible under law, I have waived all
copyright and related or neighbouring rights to this work.
Obviously inclusion of works of previous authors is not included in the
above.

The TPP is no simple “trade agreement.” Fight it!
http://www.ourfairdeal.org/ time is running out!

Sent from the OpenSCAD mailing list archive http://forum.openscad.org/
at Nabble.com.

OpenSCAD mailing list
Discuss@lists.openscad.org
http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org

So true! The PR is here: https://github.com/openscad/openscad/pull/2653 On Wed, 26 Dec 2018 at 10:26, Rob Ward <rl.ward@bigpond.com> wrote: > That is why we have Linux Distros like Ubuntu Mate, to rejoice in > functionality over those capitalistic urges just makes money from a phoney > makeover of crap "improvements". > Cheers, RobW > > On 26 December 2018 9:04:07 pm AEDT, nop head <nop.head@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Thanks, that works. I think Windows peaked at XP and has gone downhill >> since. >> >> On Tue, 25 Dec 2018 at 21:03, MichaelAtOz <oz.at.michael@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> nophead wrote >>> Ahh they only appear if I open the menu with ALT. >>> >>> One of the worst changes in Windows 7 was to hide these 'Access Keys' as >>> Microsoft calls them, unless activated by the keyboard. I have this two >>> handed technique, click on the menu, then use the other hand to hit the >>> access key. Then they disppearded... However you can restore the XP >>> behaviour >>> <https://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/178303-keyboard-shortcuts-access-keys-underline.html>. >>> >>> *Admin - email* me if you need anything, * >>> or if I've done something stupid... >>> * click on my MichaelAtOz label, there is a link to email me. >>> >>> Unless specifically shown otherwise above, my contribution is in the >>> Public Domain; to the extent possible under law, I have waived all >>> copyright and related or neighbouring rights to this work. >>> Obviously inclusion of works of previous authors is not included in the >>> above. >>> >>> The *TPP* is no simple *“trade agreement.”* *Fight it!* >>> http://www.ourfairdeal.org/ *time is running out!* >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> Sent from the OpenSCAD mailing list archive <http://forum.openscad.org/> >>> at Nabble.com. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OpenSCAD mailing list >>> Discuss@lists.openscad.org >>> http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org >>> >>

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Paste viewport translation and rotation should be copy instead.

The TPP is no simple “trade agreement.” Fight it! http://www.ourfairdeal.org/ time is running out!