Installing OpenSCAD without the official Installer.
On 10.06.19 15:47, Juan C.Cilleruelo wrote:
I think this is a bug in version 2019.05, because in the
same computer if I use the version 2015.03 this problem
is not present.
No, sorry, it's not. There's new features in 2019.05 and it
seems that introduces the new dependency. Probably that's the
use of the Qt sound API which in turn creates the dependency
to the Windows Media Framework. Maybe there's some ideas
from Qt side how to handle that.
How can I inform to develop team about this new dependency?
Maybe it's not mandatory. Only a bug.
I don't know a good solution yet. I will add a note to our
OpenSCAD FAQ. I don't know which application you are talking
about so I don't have any suggestions for that case.
It's still not something we can do much about, if I didn't
take a wrong turn following the links on the KB article,
redistribution of that framework and hence the needed DLLs
is restricted. So it will not be part of any OpenSCAD
distribution, ever.
That seems to be the main page which refers to the KB articles
for the various windows versions, so it's not just Win10:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/3145500/media-feature-pack-list-for-windows-n-editions
ciao,
Torsten.
Due to a ruling for anti-competitive practices by the European Commission
in 2004, Microsoft has been forced to maintain special editions for its
Windows operating systems. Labeled "N" for Europe and "KN" for Korea, these
editions include all the base features of the operating system but without
Windows Media Player and related technologies pre-installed. For the
Windows 10 editions, this includes Windows Media Player, Music, Video,
Voice Recorder and Skype.
The 2019 version plays a sound when rendering is finished, so I expect that
is what causes those additional dependencies.
If you reside in and purchase a PC in a country required to use the N and
KN editions, you receive a computer without media technologies. This can
cause some headaches, particularly when using apps and visiting web sites
that have been coded to utilize the built-in Windows media capabilities.
For a full list of excluded features, check out Media feature pack for
Windows 10 N and Windows 10 KN editions on the Microsoft support site.
The ruling was about consumer choice. However, if you choose to, you
can still install Windows Media Player and related apps anytime for free by
downloading and installing a special Media Feature Pack.
Do any installers bundle this? Is it even something that can be
redistributed?
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 at 15:01, nop head nop.head@gmail.com wrote:
I think it is more a problem of Windows 10N than a bug in OpenSCAD. Even
Microsoft's Edge browser needs it to be installed.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/help/4057437/media-feature-pack-for-windows-10-n-april-2018
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 at 14:47, Juan C.Cilleruelo <
juanc.cilleruelo@gmail.com> wrote:
I think this is a bug in version 2019.05, because in the same computer if
I use the version 2015.03 this problem is not present.
I think this can be true, that installing "Windows Media feature pack"
the problem for version 2019.05 is solved, but...
I can't say to my user that for installing my application they need to
install previously "Windows Media feature pack". In the same form, I don't
want to say my users that they need to install OpenSCAD.
I'm searching for a unique installation. It works well with version
2015.03. Because of this, I think that this problem with EVR, MF and MFPlat
DLLs is a problem of a new dependency introduced in posterior versions.
How can I inform to develop team about this new dependency? Maybe it's
not mandatory. Only a bug.
On 10/06/2019 14:56, A. Craig West wrote:
The files in question are part of the windows media feature pack, which
is included in windows 10, but not windows 10 N. You can download it from
Microsoft.
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019, 08:39 nop head, nop.head@gmail.com wrote:
Yes it seems that OpenSCAD and many other programs expect those files to
be part of the OS but they were removed from Windows 10. If you Google the
file names there are many other people looking for them and proposed
solutions.
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 at 13:05, Juan C.Cilleruelo <
juanc.cilleruelo@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh! Oh!......
I've just discovered that this occurs only with 2019.05 version.
If I change to 2015.03 version the problem disappears.
On 10/06/2019 13:01, Juan C.Cilleruelo wrote:
I've developed a software product that embeds OpenSCAD inside as part
of the
same product.
I want to create a unified installer but I have a problem:
I do not use the official installer when I call openscad.com or
openscad.exe
I get some consecutive errors that explain to me that some files are
not
installed:
Evr.dll, MF.dll and MFPlat.dll at this moment.
My question is: *Where or how to find the complete list of files I
need to
install to allow OpenSCAD custom installation run as the official
one?*
Thanks in advance to all!
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On 10/06/2019 16:01, nop head wrote:
I think it is more a problem of Windows 10N than a bug in OpenSCAD.
Even Microsoft's Edge browser needs it to be installed.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/help/4057437/media-feature-pack-for-windows-10-n-april-2018
In any case, this is a limitation for the integration of OpenSCAD with
third-party tools.
If I can't create a stand-alone setup.exe program for my application,
including OpenSCAD, my program can't be a commercial solution.
Maybe It's time to search for an alternative that not create
complications to my final users.
Thanks for all!
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 at 14:47, Juan C.Cilleruelo
<juanc.cilleruelo@gmail.com mailto:juanc.cilleruelo@gmail.com> wrote:
I think this is a bug in version 2019.05, because in the same
computer if I use the version 2015.03 this problem is not present.
I think this can be true, that installing "Windows Media feature
pack" the problem for version 2019.05 is solved, but...
I can't say to my user that for installing my application they
need to install previously "Windows Media feature pack". In the
same form, I don't want to say my users that they need to install
OpenSCAD.
I'm searching for a unique installation. It works well with
version 2015.03. Because of this, I think that this problem with
EVR, MF and MFPlat DLLs is a problem of a new dependency
introduced in posterior versions.
How can I inform to develop team about this new dependency? Maybe
it's not mandatory. Only a bug.
On 10/06/2019 14:56, A. Craig West wrote:
The files in question are part of the windows media feature pack,
which is included in windows 10, but not windows 10 N. You can
download it from Microsoft.
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019, 08:39 nop head, <nop.head@gmail.com
<mailto:nop.head@gmail.com>> wrote:
Yes it seems that OpenSCAD and many other programs expect
those files to be part of the OS but they were removed from
Windows 10. If you Google the file names there are many other
people looking for them and proposed solutions.
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 at 13:05, Juan C.Cilleruelo
<juanc.cilleruelo@gmail.com
<mailto:juanc.cilleruelo@gmail.com>> wrote:
Oh! Oh!......
I've just discovered that this occurs only with 2019.05
version.
If I change to 2015.03 version the problem disappears.
On 10/06/2019 13:01, Juan C.Cilleruelo wrote:
I've developed a software product that embeds OpenSCAD
inside as part of the
same product.
I want to create a unified installer but I have a problem:
I do not use the official installer when I call
openscad.com <http://openscad.com> or openscad.exe
I get some consecutive errors that explain to me that
some files are not
installed:
Evr.dll, MF.dll and MFPlat.dll at this moment.
My question is: *Where or how to find the complete list
of files I need to
install to allow OpenSCAD custom installation run as
the official one?*
Thanks in advance to all!
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On 10.06.19 16:13, Juan C.Cilleruelo wrote:
If I can't create a stand-alone setup.exe program for my
application, including OpenSCAD, my program can't be a
commercial solution.
I'm sorry that we don't immediately have a solution for
your problem to provide a commercial solution including
a software which is free to use even for this scenario.
This issue did not come up before even with people using
the snapshot version that would have that dependency for
maybe over a year.
You have not even tried to help getting to a solution just
demanded it to be solved and people already used their
spare time to help.
If you are really interested in a solution you could help
researching if there are options that are legally possible
and get that implemented. It might turn out that the only
option is to have some check in the OpenSCAD installer
pointing people to the right place.
Maybe there's a simple way to actually make the dependency
optional so it would just disable the features if they
are not essential (and that is likely the case here).
Maybe It's time to search for an alternative that not
create complications to my final users.
Noted.
ciao,
Torsten.
The version 2019.05 is available to common people only about since a month.
Can you check the number of users that download it in Europe? I think
that Europe, with more than 500 millions of potential users, can be a
good reason to correct this dependency.
I'm sure that alternatives like OpenJSCAD don't have this dependency.
And if I embed it into a Local WebServer, I'm sure I can make it more
configurable and easily installable with my main program.
This may be a solution to my problem. As you say, this is not a solution
to the problem of OpenSCAD 2019.05, released to public last month. And
of course, do not solve the problem that more than 500 millions of
potential users are going to have with this dependency.
I think the solution can be, made optional the features that create this
dependency problem. To allow European users to be happier. To avoid
problems with the installation of this software in his computers.
I'm sure that a lot of people, that don't have the professional need, as
I have, of install OpenSCAD in European computers, distributed as third
party tool, are not waste his time in communicating with your team. It's
possible all of them download a previous version or left using OpenSCAD.
Currently, I'm not involved in the development team of OpenSCAD, and not
because of lack of will. If I was involved, is possible I will propose a
solution.
My application is going to have free versions, of course. And I think
that can be a good exponent of the potential of OpenSCAD, to be
integrated as a third-party component of a lot of applications.
By now, I'm going to return to version 2015.03, that works in Europe.
Thanks a lot for your time. I'm going to continue following your
progress, of course, but I'm going too to study other ways. All my
customers are in Europe.
On 10/06/2019 16:35, Torsten Paul wrote:
On 10.06.19 16:13, Juan C.Cilleruelo wrote:
If I can't create a stand-alone setup.exe program for my
application, including OpenSCAD, my program can't be a
commercial solution.
I'm sorry that we don't immediately have a solution for
your problem to provide a commercial solution including
a software which is free to use even for this scenario.
This issue did not come up before even with people using
the snapshot version that would have that dependency for
maybe over a year.
You have not even tried to help getting to a solution just
demanded it to be solved and people already used their
spare time to help.
If you are really interested in a solution you could help
researching if there are options that are legally possible
and get that implemented. It might turn out that the only
option is to have some check in the OpenSCAD installer
pointing people to the right place.
Maybe there's a simple way to actually make the dependency
optional so it would just disable the features if they
are not essential (and that is likely the case here).
Maybe It's time to search for an alternative that not
create complications to my final users.
Noted.
ciao,
Torsten.
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You should also keep in mind that this issue affects a lot of software
other than openscad... Nobody except Microsoft is legally allowed to
distribute those dll's
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019, 10:14 Juan C.Cilleruelo, juanc.cilleruelo@gmail.com
wrote:
On 10/06/2019 16:01, nop head wrote:
I think it is more a problem of Windows 10N than a bug in OpenSCAD. Even
Microsoft's Edge browser needs it to be installed.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/help/4057437/media-feature-pack-for-windows-10-n-april-2018
In any case, this is a limitation for the integration of OpenSCAD with
third-party tools.
If I can't create a stand-alone setup.exe program for my application,
including OpenSCAD, my program can't be a commercial solution.
Maybe It's time to search for an alternative that not create complications
to my final users.
Thanks for all!
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 at 14:47, Juan C.Cilleruelo <
juanc.cilleruelo@gmail.com> wrote:
I think this is a bug in version 2019.05, because in the same computer if
I use the version 2015.03 this problem is not present.
I think this can be true, that installing "Windows Media feature pack"
the problem for version 2019.05 is solved, but...
I can't say to my user that for installing my application they need to
install previously "Windows Media feature pack". In the same form, I don't
want to say my users that they need to install OpenSCAD.
I'm searching for a unique installation. It works well with version
2015.03. Because of this, I think that this problem with EVR, MF and MFPlat
DLLs is a problem of a new dependency introduced in posterior versions.
How can I inform to develop team about this new dependency? Maybe it's
not mandatory. Only a bug.
On 10/06/2019 14:56, A. Craig West wrote:
The files in question are part of the windows media feature pack, which
is included in windows 10, but not windows 10 N. You can download it from
Microsoft.
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019, 08:39 nop head, nop.head@gmail.com wrote:
Yes it seems that OpenSCAD and many other programs expect those files to
be part of the OS but they were removed from Windows 10. If you Google the
file names there are many other people looking for them and proposed
solutions.
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 at 13:05, Juan C.Cilleruelo <
juanc.cilleruelo@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh! Oh!......
I've just discovered that this occurs only with 2019.05 version.
If I change to 2015.03 version the problem disappears.
On 10/06/2019 13:01, Juan C.Cilleruelo wrote:
I've developed a software product that embeds OpenSCAD inside as part
of the
same product.
I want to create a unified installer but I have a problem:
I do not use the official installer when I call openscad.com or
openscad.exe
I get some consecutive errors that explain to me that some files are
not
installed:
Evr.dll, MF.dll and MFPlat.dll at this moment.
My question is: *Where or how to find the complete list of files I
need to
install to allow OpenSCAD custom installation run as the official
one?*
Thanks in advance to all!
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I just tried this solution and don't works in my computers. All the
downloads say "This update is not compatible with your computer".
On 10/06/2019 17:02, Torsten Paul wrote:
On 10/06/2019 17:13, A. Craig West wrote:
You should also keep in mind that this issue affects a lot of software
other than openscad... Nobody except Microsoft is legally allowed to
distribute those dll's
Because of this... I can't use OpenSCAD 2019.5. I'm returning, as
a lot of European users, I thing, to version 2015.03.
Thanks for the advise!.
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019, 10:14 Juan C.Cilleruelo,
<juanc.cilleruelo@gmail.com mailto:juanc.cilleruelo@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10/06/2019 16:01, nop head wrote:
I think it is more a problem of Windows 10N than a bug in
OpenSCAD. Even Microsoft's Edge browser needs it to be installed.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/help/4057437/media-feature-pack-for-windows-10-n-april-2018
In any case, this is a limitation for the integration of OpenSCAD
with third-party tools.
If I can't create a stand-alone setup.exe program for my
application, including OpenSCAD, my program can't be a commercial
solution.
Maybe It's time to search for an alternative that not create
complications to my final users.
Thanks for all!
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 at 14:47, Juan C.Cilleruelo
<juanc.cilleruelo@gmail.com <mailto:juanc.cilleruelo@gmail.com>>
wrote:
I think this is a bug in version 2019.05, because in the same
computer if I use the version 2015.03 this problem is not
present.
I think this can be true, that installing "Windows Media
feature pack" the problem for version 2019.05 is solved, but...
I can't say to my user that for installing my application
they need to install previously "Windows Media feature pack".
In the same form, I don't want to say my users that they need
to install OpenSCAD.
I'm searching for a unique installation. It works well with
version 2015.03. Because of this, I think that this problem
with EVR, MF and MFPlat DLLs is a problem of a new dependency
introduced in posterior versions.
How can I inform to develop team about this new dependency?
Maybe it's not mandatory. Only a bug.
On 10/06/2019 14:56, A. Craig West wrote:
The files in question are part of the windows media feature
pack, which is included in windows 10, but not windows 10 N.
You can download it from Microsoft.
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019, 08:39 nop head, <nop.head@gmail.com
<mailto:nop.head@gmail.com>> wrote:
Yes it seems that OpenSCAD and many other programs
expect those files to be part of the OS but they were
removed from Windows 10. If you Google the file names
there are many other people looking for them and
proposed solutions.
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 at 13:05, Juan C.Cilleruelo
<juanc.cilleruelo@gmail.com
<mailto:juanc.cilleruelo@gmail.com>> wrote:
Oh! Oh!......
I've just discovered that this occurs only with
2019.05 version.
If I change to 2015.03 version the problem disappears.
On 10/06/2019 13:01, Juan C.Cilleruelo wrote:
I've developed a software product that embeds
OpenSCAD inside as part of the
same product.
I want to create a unified installer but I have a
problem:
I do not use the official installer when I call
openscad.com <http://openscad.com> or openscad.exe
I get some consecutive errors that explain to me
that some files are not
installed:
Evr.dll, MF.dll and MFPlat.dll at this moment.
My question is: *Where or how to find the complete
list of files I need to
install to allow OpenSCAD custom installation run
as the official one?*
Thanks in advance to all!
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Very much this.
Given the nature of the problem, I would look for more widely-used
software than OpenSCAD for a resolution. There is almost certainly a
decent way to deal with it, but that better way is almost certainly
going to be discovered (or has already been discovered!) somewhere with
a broader base than a brand new OpenSCAD release.
Also, when looking to embed open source software in a commercial
product, you're a lot more likely to attract interest if you at least
describe what you're working on and how it might benefit the open source
community.
On 6/10/19 10:13 AM, A. Craig West wrote:
You should also keep in mind that this issue affects a lot of software
other than openscad... Nobody except Microsoft is legally allowed to
distribute those dll's
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019, 10:14 Juan C.Cilleruelo,
<juanc.cilleruelo@gmail.com mailto:juanc.cilleruelo@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10/06/2019 16:01, nop head wrote:
I think it is more a problem of Windows 10N than a bug in
OpenSCAD. Even Microsoft's Edge browser needs it to be installed.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/help/4057437/media-feature-pack-for-windows-10-n-april-2018
In any case, this is a limitation for the integration of OpenSCAD
with third-party tools.
If I can't create a stand-alone setup.exe program for my
application, including OpenSCAD, my program can't be a commercial
solution.
Maybe It's time to search for an alternative that not create
complications to my final users.
Thanks for all!
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 at 14:47, Juan C.Cilleruelo
<juanc.cilleruelo@gmail.com <mailto:juanc.cilleruelo@gmail.com>>
wrote:
I think this is a bug in version 2019.05, because in the same
computer if I use the version 2015.03 this problem is not
present.
I think this can be true, that installing "Windows Media
feature pack" the problem for version 2019.05 is solved, but...
I can't say to my user that for installing my application
they need to install previously "Windows Media feature pack".
In the same form, I don't want to say my users that they need
to install OpenSCAD.
I'm searching for a unique installation. It works well with
version 2015.03. Because of this, I think that this problem
with EVR, MF and MFPlat DLLs is a problem of a new dependency
introduced in posterior versions.
How can I inform to develop team about this new dependency?
Maybe it's not mandatory. Only a bug.
On 10/06/2019 14:56, A. Craig West wrote:
The files in question are part of the windows media feature
pack, which is included in windows 10, but not windows 10 N.
You can download it from Microsoft.
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019, 08:39 nop head, <nop.head@gmail.com
<mailto:nop.head@gmail.com>> wrote:
Yes it seems that OpenSCAD and many other programs
expect those files to be part of the OS but they were
removed from Windows 10. If you Google the file names
there are many other people looking for them and
proposed solutions.
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 at 13:05, Juan C.Cilleruelo
<juanc.cilleruelo@gmail.com
<mailto:juanc.cilleruelo@gmail.com>> wrote:
Oh! Oh!......
I've just discovered that this occurs only with
2019.05 version.
If I change to 2015.03 version the problem disappears.
On 10/06/2019 13:01, Juan C.Cilleruelo wrote:
I've developed a software product that embeds
OpenSCAD inside as part of the
same product.
I want to create a unified installer but I have a
problem:
I do not use the official installer when I call
openscad.com <http://openscad.com> or openscad.exe
I get some consecutive errors that explain to me
that some files are not
installed:
Evr.dll, MF.dll and MFPlat.dll at this moment.
My question is: *Where or how to find the complete
list of files I need to
install to allow OpenSCAD custom installation run
as the official one?*
Thanks in advance to all!
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