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MichaelAtOz

Sat, Mar 7, 2015 3:19 AM

Apparently windows 10
http://blogs.windows.com/buildingapps/2015/02/02/windows-10-coming-to-raspberry-pi-2/
will be ported to Raspberry Pi (only the Pi 2B with quad core 900MHz & 1GB).
"which will be free for the Maker community"

Does this imply OpenGL? And hence support for OpenSCAD?

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Apparently windows 10 <http://blogs.windows.com/buildingapps/2015/02/02/windows-10-coming-to-raspberry-pi-2/> will be ported to Raspberry Pi (only the Pi 2B with quad core 900MHz & 1GB). "which will be free for the Maker community" Does this imply OpenGL? And hence support for OpenSCAD? ----- Unless specifically shown otherwise above, my contribution is in the Public Domain; To the extent possible under law, I have waived all copyright and related or neighbouring rights to this work. This work is published globally via the internet. :) Inclusion of works of previous authors is not included in the above. The TPP is no simple “trade agreement.” Fight it! http://www.ourfairdeal.org/ -- View this message in context: http://forum.openscad.org/RPi-Windows-10-OpenGL-OpenSCAD-tp11930.html Sent from the OpenSCAD mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

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Marius Kintel

Sat, Mar 7, 2015 3:54 AM

On Mar 6, 2015, at 22:19 PM, MichaelAtOz oz.at.michael@gmail.com wrote:

Does this imply OpenGL? And hence support for OpenSCAD?

Microsoft isn’t very fond of OpenGL, so I wouldn’t have too high hopes.
They do support WebGL in IE, so perhaps they would ship GLES2 drivers.
In that case, we just need to port to GLES2, which is on the GSoC wishlist :)

-Marius

On Mar 6, 2015, at 22:19 PM, MichaelAtOz <oz.at.michael@gmail.com> wrote: > > Does this imply OpenGL? And hence support for OpenSCAD? > Microsoft isn’t very fond of OpenGL, so I wouldn’t have too high hopes. They do support WebGL in IE, so perhaps they would ship GLES2 drivers. In that case, we just need to port to GLES2, which is on the GSoC wishlist :) -Marius

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cacb

Sat, Mar 7, 2015 12:42 PM

It is the "Windows IoT" (Internet of Things) version that no-one outside of
Microsoft knows how to define. It should certainly not be confused with the
Windows Desktop that runs only on x68 and will continue to do so.

As far as I understand (I could be wrong), Windows IoT will not have a
desktop. Knowing what we know about Windows command shell I really don't yet
see what is attractive about Windows 10 IoT on the PI2.

I have been using OpenSCAD on Win7 and Kubuntu, and I have 3 Raspberry PI1
and will be getting a PI2 soon, all running Raspbian. Although I don't see a
real need to run OpenSCAD on the PI2, I am guessing it should work under
Raspbian already, and therefore no need to worry about Windows 10 IoT?

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It is the "Windows IoT" (Internet of Things) version that no-one outside of Microsoft knows how to define. It should certainly not be confused with the Windows Desktop that runs only on x68 and will continue to do so. As far as I understand (I could be wrong), Windows IoT will not have a desktop. Knowing what we know about Windows command shell I really don't yet see what is attractive about Windows 10 IoT on the PI2. I have been using OpenSCAD on Win7 and Kubuntu, and I have 3 Raspberry PI1 and will be getting a PI2 soon, all running Raspbian. Although I don't see a real need to run OpenSCAD on the PI2, I am guessing it should work under Raspbian already, and therefore no need to worry about Windows 10 IoT? -- View this message in context: http://forum.openscad.org/RPi-Windows-10-OpenGL-OpenSCAD-tp11930p11935.html Sent from the OpenSCAD mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

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nop head

Sat, Mar 7, 2015 12:58 PM

I don't think you will be able to do much with OpenScad and only 1GB RAM.
Even the most powerful desktop can be brought to its knees by CGAL.

On 7 March 2015 at 12:42, cacb arnholm@arnholm.org wrote:

It is the "Windows IoT" (Internet of Things) version that no-one outside of
Microsoft knows how to define. It should certainly not be confused with the
Windows Desktop that runs only on x68 and will continue to do so.

As far as I understand (I could be wrong), Windows IoT will not have a
desktop. Knowing what we know about Windows command shell I really don't
yet
see what is attractive about Windows 10 IoT on the PI2.

I have been using OpenSCAD on Win7 and Kubuntu, and I have 3 Raspberry PI1
and will be getting a PI2 soon, all running Raspbian. Although I don't see
a
real need to run OpenSCAD on the PI2, I am guessing it should work under
Raspbian already, and therefore no need to worry about Windows 10 IoT?

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I don't think you will be able to do much with OpenScad and only 1GB RAM. Even the most powerful desktop can be brought to its knees by CGAL. On 7 March 2015 at 12:42, cacb <arnholm@arnholm.org> wrote: > It is the "Windows IoT" (Internet of Things) version that no-one outside of > Microsoft knows how to define. It should certainly not be confused with the > Windows Desktop that runs only on x68 and will continue to do so. > > As far as I understand (I could be wrong), Windows IoT will not have a > desktop. Knowing what we know about Windows command shell I really don't > yet > see what is attractive about Windows 10 IoT on the PI2. > > I have been using OpenSCAD on Win7 and Kubuntu, and I have 3 Raspberry PI1 > and will be getting a PI2 soon, all running Raspbian. Although I don't see > a > real need to run OpenSCAD on the PI2, I am guessing it should work under > Raspbian already, and therefore no need to worry about Windows 10 IoT? > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.openscad.org/RPi-Windows-10-OpenGL-OpenSCAD-tp11930p11935.html > Sent from the OpenSCAD mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > OpenSCAD mailing list > Discuss@lists.openscad.org > http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org >

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Alan Cox

Sat, Mar 7, 2015 1:46 PM

I have been using OpenSCAD on Win7 and Kubuntu, and I have 3 Raspberry PI1
and will be getting a PI2 soon, all running Raspbian. Although I don't see a
real need to run OpenSCAD on the PI2, I am guessing it should work under
Raspbian already, and therefore no need to worry about Windows 10 IoT?

The real issue here is performane. Yes it'll run on the PI, but don't try
any thing more complicated than a few simple shapes. You'd need to switch
to 64bit fixed point, and possibly replace cgal to get it to fly on small
devices.

Alan

> I have been using OpenSCAD on Win7 and Kubuntu, and I have 3 Raspberry PI1 > and will be getting a PI2 soon, all running Raspbian. Although I don't see a > real need to run OpenSCAD on the PI2, I am guessing it should work under > Raspbian already, and therefore no need to worry about Windows 10 IoT? The real issue here is performane. Yes it'll run on the PI, but don't try any thing more complicated than a few simple shapes. You'd need to switch to 64bit fixed point, and possibly replace cgal to get it to fly on small devices. Alan

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Carsten Arnholm

Sat, Mar 7, 2015 3:21 PM

On 2015-03-07 13:58, nop head wrote:

I don't think you will be able to do much with OpenScad and only 1GB
RAM. Even the most powerful desktop can be brought to its knees by CGAL.

Agreed. No point in using OpenScad on something like the PI2, regardless
of OS installed, if you have access to a faster desktop with more RAM
and processor power.

Given the observation that "Even the most powerful desktop can be
brought to its knees by CGAL", it would be an advantage if OpenScad
could be made less resource demanding. The motivation is not tos
support something like PI2, but rather to enable more/faster work on a
powerful desktop.

On 2015-03-07 13:58, nop head wrote: > I don't think you will be able to do much with OpenScad and only 1GB > RAM. Even the most powerful desktop can be brought to its knees by CGAL. Agreed. No point in using OpenScad on something like the PI2, regardless of OS installed, if you have access to a faster desktop with more RAM and processor power. Given the observation that "Even the most powerful desktop can be brought to its knees by CGAL", it would be an advantage if OpenScad could be made less resource demanding. The motivation is not tos support something like PI2, but rather to enable more/faster work on a powerful desktop.

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Marius Kintel

Sat, Mar 7, 2015 4:16 PM

On Mar 7, 2015, at 10:21 AM, Carsten Arnholm arnholm@arnholm.org wrote:

Given the observation that "Even the most powerful desktop can be brought to its knees by CGAL", it would be an advantage if OpenScad could be made less resource demanding.

This is a good place to start: https://github.com/openscad/openscad/wiki/Project%3A-Survey-of-CSG-algorithms
That is also suggested as a Google Summer of Code project this summer, so if anyone knows any smart students who’d like to tackle this, get in touch!

-Marius

On Mar 7, 2015, at 10:21 AM, Carsten Arnholm <arnholm@arnholm.org> wrote: > > Given the observation that "Even the most powerful desktop can be brought to its knees by CGAL", it would be an advantage if OpenScad could be made less resource demanding. This is a good place to start: https://github.com/openscad/openscad/wiki/Project%3A-Survey-of-CSG-algorithms That is also suggested as a Google Summer of Code project this summer, so if anyone knows any smart students who’d like to tackle this, get in touch! -Marius

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doug moen

Sat, Mar 7, 2015 4:18 PM

Just googled that. Windows IOT on ARM will support "Universal Apps" but it
will not support the Win32 API. That means the existing OpenSCAD Windows
code will not run.

On 7 March 2015 at 07:42, cacb arnholm@arnholm.org wrote:

It is the "Windows IoT" (Internet of Things) version that no-one outside of
Microsoft knows how to define. It should certainly not be confused with the
Windows Desktop that runs only on x68 and will continue to do so.

As far as I understand (I could be wrong), Windows IoT will not have a
desktop. Knowing what we know about Windows command shell I really don't
yet
see what is attractive about Windows 10 IoT on the PI2.

I have been using OpenSCAD on Win7 and Kubuntu, and I have 3 Raspberry PI1
and will be getting a PI2 soon, all running Raspbian. Although I don't see
a
real need to run OpenSCAD on the PI2, I am guessing it should work under
Raspbian already, and therefore no need to worry about Windows 10 IoT?

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Just googled that. Windows IOT on ARM will support "Universal Apps" but it will not support the Win32 API. That means the existing OpenSCAD Windows code will not run. On 7 March 2015 at 07:42, cacb <arnholm@arnholm.org> wrote: > It is the "Windows IoT" (Internet of Things) version that no-one outside of > Microsoft knows how to define. It should certainly not be confused with the > Windows Desktop that runs only on x68 and will continue to do so. > > As far as I understand (I could be wrong), Windows IoT will not have a > desktop. Knowing what we know about Windows command shell I really don't > yet > see what is attractive about Windows 10 IoT on the PI2. > > I have been using OpenSCAD on Win7 and Kubuntu, and I have 3 Raspberry PI1 > and will be getting a PI2 soon, all running Raspbian. Although I don't see > a > real need to run OpenSCAD on the PI2, I am guessing it should work under > Raspbian already, and therefore no need to worry about Windows 10 IoT? > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.openscad.org/RPi-Windows-10-OpenGL-OpenSCAD-tp11930p11935.html > Sent from the OpenSCAD mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > OpenSCAD mailing list > Discuss@lists.openscad.org > http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org > >

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RPi, Windows 10. OpenGL? OpenSCAD?

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