[OpenSCAD] 3D printing survey

Ezra Reynolds shadowwynd at gmail.com
Sat Sep 26 23:07:26 EDT 2015


I know that the original post was not talking about making OpenScad subscription-based, but it is good to take the temperature of the community.  I truly appreciate all the work that has gone into OpenSCAD.

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> On Sep 26, 2015, at 12:15 PM, doug moen <doug at moens.org> wrote:
> 
> Just to be clear, Marius has not proposed changing OpenSCAD to use a different licensing/distribution model. Tim used the word "fork", and that won't be necessary.
> 
> Marius is attempting to create a new 3D printing service or product with a for-profit business model, he told me it would be web based, and I think he wants to use the profits to fund OpenSCAD development.
> 
>> On 25 September 2015 at 08:53, Tim Hawkins <tim.thawkins at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Im happy with that model, what im not happy with is software that phones home, and stops working if i decide not to continue paying the subscription. I will want to continue using the version that was active at the time that my license ran out. I also dont want companies reaching periodicaly into my pocket and pulling out money just to keep running tne software. 
>> 
>> If you make the cost and form factor for the paymrnts too onerous, then all that will happen is the project will fork. 
>> 
>>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2015, 20:47 jon <jon at jonbondy.com> wrote:
>>> One more, and then I will stop.
>>> 
>>> SketchUp provides a perpetual license to me for the software I paid for, but I can stop funding them and not get access to their newer technology.  Seems fair to me.  And to them.  They have an incentive to give me must-have features, and I get to decide whether those features are worth what they are asking.
>>> 
>>> We are used to everything being free on the web, but that is not a model that can fund the development of some of the products that we love.  It makes sense to me to pay a modest fee to ensure that products like OpenSCAD continue to grow and improve.
>>> 
>>> The SketchUp model provides free access to most features, with payment needed to use some of the high-end features.
>>> 
>>> Perhaps rather than simply saying "reviled" we might want to explore, as a community, how to fund OpenSCAD in a way that is acceptable to the majority of us
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 9/25/2015 8:32 AM, Tim Hawkins wrote:
>>> 
>>>> We have just been through the same situation with jetbrains, who produce development tools, they attempted to shift to a subscription model that shuts down the product when you stopped paying. Several 100 customers put them straight. They have backed off and now provide perpetual licenses again.
>>>> 
>>>> Thier move was universaly reviled..... 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2015, 20:24 jon <jon at jonbondy.com> wrote:
>>>>> "This kind of business model is called "rent seeking" and is universaly distained."
>>>>> 
>>>>> Strong words for a personal opinion.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 9/25/2015 3:51 AM, Tim Hawkins wrote:
>>>>>> Agreed, i told it i own a printer (3 in fact), and it immeadatly asked me about how i rent or buy printing services, i said i dont, it then asked about which online services do i print with, i said none because i own a printer. The subscription section was even more annoying and nonsensicle, it asked me if i subscribe to any services, i said none. It then asked how much i spend per month on subscriptions,  did i not just say none, and then to rub in the fact was not actualy interested in my opinion, it asked how much i would pay for a subscription. Guess what the answer is...... 
>>>>>> This kind of business model is called "rent seeking" and is universaly distained. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2015, 15:27  <arnholm at arnholm.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2015-09-25 06:59, Tim Hawkins wrote:
>>>>>>> > Marius, the survey spends a lot of time discussing subscriptions. The
>>>>>>> > moment i saw that i lost interest in the product. I and many other
>>>>>>> > people will never buy a subscription product because it allows a
>>>>>>> > vendor to hold customers hostage.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hear, hear. I agree 100%
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I started the survey, but it asked a lot of intrusive and frankly stupid
>>>>>>> questions, so after several minutes I gave up and abandoned it. For
>>>>>>> example it asked me if I owned a printer, to which I replied yes and I
>>>>>>> use it at home. Then it continued for several questions asking why and
>>>>>>> how I use printing services, even though I tried to tell it I have no
>>>>>>> intention of using such things. There were also other things that I
>>>>>>> reacted upon, but to keep it short I have left it out. I question if
>>>>>>> this is a useful survey as it easily alienates people.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I will only use software that allows me to run it off-line and on as
>>>>>>> many computers as I like. I will not accept software that collects
>>>>>>> information about me or my activities. I do enjoy OpenSCAD the way it is
>>>>>>> and hope focus will be on improving it, i.e. making it                   more flexible,
>>>>>>> faster.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Carsten Arnholm
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